< Back Broadcast Legend Shelley Stewart Launches Podcast, Becoming The Oldest Podcaster In The U.S. Corlette Stewart Apr 20, 2023 At 88 years young, media executive and broadcast legend Dr. Shelley Stewart announces the launch of the podcast, "Shelley's Plumbline ." The show blends fresh commentary from Dr. Stewart with clips from his archive of more than 3,000 shows spanning his 53-year career in radio broadcasting. Stewart hopes the podcast will open channels of communication and understanding while searching for truth on tough social topics. Stewart’s storied career includes spending more than fifty years behind the microphone and over 70 years as a champion of human rights. His career includes time as a radio personality, where he helped the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and other civil rights leaders disseminate key planning information about demonstrations. As a TV talk show host, he openly discusses tough topics with the Grand Wizard of the Klu Klux Klan. He eventually became the owner of the radio station WATV and the advertising agency o2ideas. Stewart also authored two books, The Road South: A Memoir and Mattie C.'s Boy: The Shelley Stewart Story , which retells his life story in vivid detail, following his beginning as a homeless child at seven years of age to his rise to business success. Shelley hopes the podcast will have a tangible impact on communities, the nation, and the world, as it plumbs for the truths in the midst of society’s most challenging problems. "You see, there is this side, that side, and the truth lies somewhere in the middle," said Stewart. After listening to several shows from the archive, Stewart and his production team couldn’t help but notice the irony that 30 to 40 years after their original broadcast date, society still faces similar challenges today. While controversial issues, such as human rights, gender equality, AIDS, youth, and homelessness, remain top world problems, Shelley's Plumbline will acknowledge the similarities and differences between the past and present and lead the audience to thoughtful introspection while providing resources for those interested in pursuing more knowledge and solutions to these challenging issues. But that's not all. "We have interviews with legends, such as Eddie Kendricks, Fred Shuttlesworth, Hosea Williams, and Steve Harvey,” said Dr. Stewart. “Some episodes will share oldies, but goldies hits, and some will even explore comedy," he said. “We want to connect with people and keep our listeners engaged whether we are discussing tough topics or the golden age of Motown." Shelley's Plumbline premieres April 20 on Spotify, Amazon Music and iHeart Radio and will release episodes weekly on Wednesdays. Read More Previous Article Next Article

Today, Shelley replays an interview from the Free By Choice program, which brought inmates from Alabama prisons on the air to speak openly about their crimes and the decisions which led to them. These Free By Choice inmates had a strong desire to share their stories so their suffering could serve to help others avoid making the same mistakes. Season Two: Episode 09 Free By Choice Inmates Share Their Stories Today, Shelley replays an interview from the Free By Choice program, which brought inmates from Alabama prisons on the air to speak openly about their crimes and the decisions which led to them. These Free By Choice inmates had a strong desire to share their stories so their suffering could serve to help others avoid making the same mistakes. Click An Icon Below To Listen To Shelley's Plumbline Podcast Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . Prisoners Have A Message To Our Youth Play Video All Videos ONDCP leads and coordinates the nation’s drug policy so that it improves the health and lives of the American people. ONDCP is responsible for the development and implementation of the National Drug Control Strategy and Budget. ONDCP coordinates across 19 federal agencies and oversees a $41 billion budget as part of a whole-of-government approach to addressing addiction and the overdose epidemic. ONDCP also provides hundreds of millions of dollars to help communities stay healthy and safe through the High Intensity Drug Trafficking Areas Program and the Drug-Free Communities Program. Learn More Congress established the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA) in 1992 to make substance use and mental disorder information, services, and research more accessible. Click below to read more. Learn More It's estimated that up to 65% of the U.S. prison population has an active substance use disorder. When these inmates are released, studies have shown that many will return to using and be arrested again within a few years. Stephanie Sy recently visited a jail in Kentucky that’s trying to not only break that cycle but also save lives. It’s part of our ongoing series, Searching for Justice. Watch Now When Chika Okoro read the casting call for one of her favorite films, she noticed that actresses with darker skin were assigned lesser roles —prompting her to address a phenomenon she'd experienced all her life: colorism. In this eye-opening talk, Okoro shares coping strategies along with steps that could help eliminate this insidious and destructive mindset of discrimination. Learn More D.A.R.E. IS SUBSTANCE ABUSE PREVENTION EDUCATION AND MUCH MORE! This year millions of school children around the world will benefit from D.A.R.E. (Drug Abuse Resistance Education), the highly acclaimed program that gives kids the skills they need to avoid involvement in drugs, gangs, and violence. D.A.R.E. was founded in 1983 and has proven so successful that it has been implemented in thousands of schools throughout the United States and many other countries. D.A.R.E. is a police officer-led series of classroom lessons that teaches children from kindergarten through 12th grade how to resist peer pressure and live productive drug and violence-free lives. Learn More Not sure how to prevent drug or alcohol use? Or what to do if you suspect or have discovered substance use? We have the science- and research-backed information to help you help your child. Teen Substance Use The teen and young adult years are confusing, complicated and formative. Understanding what's happening socially and developmentally — and how it can intersect with substance use — is fundamental to setting the stage for healthier outcomes. Learn More Upload

In this episode, Shelley reflects on an interview from 1991 that covers the topic of racial identity. Which is the correct terminology? Black? African-American, People of Color? The interview also discusses class differences among Blacks. Be advised that this episode contains frank discussions about race and uses the n-word. Listener discretion is advised. Season Two: Episode 05 I Love The Skin I'm In In this episode, Shelley reflects on an interview from 1991 that covers the topic of racial identity. Which is the correct terminology? Black? African-American, People of Color? The interview also discusses class differences among Blacks. Be advised that this episode contains frank discussions about race and uses the n-word. Listener discretion is advised. Click An Icon Below To Listen To Shelley's Plumbline Podcast Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . The Name "Negro" by W.E.B. Du Bois March 1928 Dear Sir: I am only a high school student in my Sophomore year, and have not the understanding of you college educated men. It seems to me that since THE CRISIS is the Official Organ of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People which stand for equality for all Americans, why would it designate and segregate us as “Negroes,” and not as “Americans.” The most piercing thing that hurts me in this February CRISIS, which forced me to write, was the notice that called the natives of Africa, “Negroes,” instead of calling them “Africans,” or “natives.” The word “Negro,” or “nigger,” is a white man’s word to make us feel inferior. I hope to be a worker for my race, that is why I wrote this letter. I hope that by the time I become a man, that this word, “Negro,” will be abolished. Roland A. Barton My Dear Roland: Do not at the outset of your career make the all too common error of mistaking names for things. Names are only conventional signs for identifying things. Things are the reality that counts. If a thing is despised, either because of ignorance or because it is despicable, you will not alter matters by changing its name. If men despise Negroes, they will not despise them less if Negroes are called “colored” or “Afro-Americans.” Moreover, you cannot change the name of a thing at will. Names are not merely matters of thought and reason; they are growths and habits. As long as the majority of men mean black and brown folk when they say “Negro,” so long will Negro be the name of folks brown and black. And neither anger nor wailing nor tears can or will change the name until the name-habit changes. Suppose now we could change the name. Suppose we arose tomorrow morning and lo! Instead of being “Negroes,” all the world called us “Cheiropolidi,”—do you really think this would make a vast and momentous difference to you and to me? Would the Negro problem be suddenly and eternally settled? Would you be any less ashamed of being descended from a black man, or would your schoolmates fell any less superior to you? The feeling of inferiority is in you, not in any name. The name merely evokes what is already there. Exorcise the hateful complex and no name can ever make you hang your head. Or, on the other hand, suppose that we slip out of the whole thing by calling ourselves “Americans.” But in that case, what word shall we use when we want to talk about those descendants of dark slaves who are largely excluded still from full American citizenship and from complete social privilege with the white folk? Here is Something that we want to talk about; that we do talk about; that we Negroes could not live without talking about. In that case, we need a name for it, do we not? In order to talk logically and easily and be understood. If you do not believe in the necessity of such a name, watch the antics of a colored newspaper which has determined in a fit of New Year’s Resolutions not to use the word “Negro”! And then too, without the word that mans Us, where are all those whose spiritual ideals, those inner bonds, those group ideals and forward strivings of this might army of 12 millions? Shall we abolish there with the abolition of a name? Do we want to abolish them? Of course we do not. They are our most precious heritage. Historically, of course, your dislike of the word Negro is easily explained: “Negroes” among your grandfathers meant black folk; “Colored” people were mulattoes. The mulattoes hated and despised the blacks and were insulted if called “Negroes.” But we are not insulted—not you and I. We are quite as proud of our black ancestors as of our white. And perhaps a little prouder. What hurts us is the mere memory that any man of Negro descent was ever so cowardly as to despise any part of his own blood. But why seek to change the name? “Negro” is a fine word. Etymologically and phonetically it is much better and more logical than “African” or “colored” or any of the various hyphenated circumlocutions. Of course, it is not “historically” accurate. No name ever was more historically accurate: neither “English,” “French,” “German,” “White,” “Jew,” Nordic” nor “Anglo-Saxon.” They were all at first nicknames, misnomers, accidents, grown eventually to conventional habits and achieving accuracy because, and simply because, wide and continued usage rendered them accurate. In this sense, “Negro” is quite as accurate, quite as old and quite as definite as any name of any great group of people. Your real work, my dear young man, does not lie with names. It is not a matter of changing them, losing them, or forgetting them. Names are nothing but little guideposts along the Way. The Way would be there and just be as hard and just as long if there were no guideposts,—but not quite as easily followed! Your real work as a Negro lies in two directions: First, to let the world know what there is fine and genuine about the Negro race. And secondly, to see that there is nothing about that race which is worth contempt; your contempt, my contempt; or the contempt of the wide, wide world. Get this then, Roland, and get it straight even if it pierces your soul: a Negro by any other name would be just as black and just as white; just as ashamed of himself and just as shamed by others, as today. It is not the name—it’s the Thing that counts. Come on, Kid, let’s go get the Thing! Copied the text: W.E.B. Du Bois. “The Name "Negro"”. Letter, March, 1928. From Teaching American History. https://teachingamericanhistory.org/document/the-name-negro/ (accessed July 31, 2023). Click to Read Which is the correct terminology: Black, African American or People of Color? It depends. "Black" refers to dark-skinned people of African descent, no matter their nationality. "African American" refers to people who were born in the United States and have African ancestry. Many people use the terms interchangeably. Young Black activists in the United States started using "Black" in the 1960s when referring to descendants of slaves as a way to leave the term "Negro" and the Jim Crow era behind, says Keith Mayes, associate professor of African American and African Studies at the University of Minnesota. "African American" caught on in the US in the 1980s as a more "particular and historical" term than the generic "Black," Mayes says. "People of color" was originally meant to be a synonym of "Black," but its meaning has expanded to accommodate Latinos, Asians, Native Americans and other non-white groups, says Efren Perez, a professor of political science and psychology at the University of California Los Angeles. To say you are a person of color is more celebratory and positive than to say you are part of a "minority," he says. All three terms are acceptable. Which you prefer comes down to personal choice, the situation you're in and how invested you are in your racial identity, Perez says. The meanings of words and phrases can change over time. For example, the words "colored" and "Negro" are now considered dated and offensive - but they weren't when the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) and the United Negro College Fund were created in the early 20th century. Those organizations haven't changed their names, but "by no means they are trying to perpetuate a name that is offensive to Black people," Mayes says. "Their very history, it's about advancing the Black cause." -Nicole Chavez, CNN Dive Deeper Afro-American or black: what’s in a name? Prominent blacks and-or African Americans express their views An old and controversial issues has resurfaced. What should we call ourselves, "Blacks" or "African-Americans"? The debate was rekindled last winter after 75 national leaders met to discuss a Black agenda. Speaking for the group, the Rev. Jesse Jackson declared: "To be called Black is baseless. . . To be called African-American has cultural integrity." Others who support the redefinition say a name-change campaign could give impetus to a new mass movement for equality. It could have the same effect as the campaign to be called black had in the 1960s and the movement to be called Negro before that. Opponents of the campaign say it is an exhaustive exercise in semantics that diverts attention from more serious issues such as crime, poverty and inadequate eductional and employment opportunities. Whether they are for, against or neutral, prominent Black leaders suggest that the answer to the question, "What's in a name: Black or African-American?," is more than skin-deep. Afro-American or black: what’s in a name? Prominent blacks and-or African Americans express their views. (1989, July 1). Ebony, 44(9), 76. Read More African-American Nomenclature: The Label Identity Shift from "Negro" to "Black" in the 1960s In the United States, Americans of African Descent have held many identity labels: African, Colored, Negro, Afro-American, Black, and African-American. In the 1960s, there was a shift from the use of "Negro" to the use of "black" as a group identifier. In 1966 Stokely Carmichael shouted the phase "Black Power." Three years later, in 1969, "Negro" was replaced by "black" as the dominant label identifier. This paper will how I measured when the shift occurred and will also set out three major explanations for why the shift happened relatively quickly. Understanding the shift to "black" may help with understanding why the identifier "African-American" has not completely replaced "black." Bell, Z. (2013). African-American Nomenclature: The Label Identity Shift from "Negro" to "Black" in the 1960s. UCLA. ProQuest ID: Bell_ucla_0031N_11240. Merritt ID: ark:/13030/m5h71vr1. Retrieved from https://escholarship.org/uc/item/1j12q56x Read More From Negro to Black to African American: The Power of Names and Naming Discusses the use of politically correct terms such as 'African-American' to describe black people. Plight of Jesse Jackson to promote pride and a sense of ethnic identity among African-Americans; Suggestion that naming groups of people is a political exercise; How ethnic groups in the U.S. make reference to a historical land base; Use of the phrase 'black power' by advocates of racial assertiveness; Condemnation of anti-white separatism by Roy Wilkins, the director of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP). Martin, B. L. (1991). From Negro to Black to African American: The Power of Names and Naming. Political Science Quarterly (Academy of Political Science), 106(1), 83. https://doi.org/10.2307/2152175 Read More Upload

As a member of the King's Inner Circle, Rev. Hosea Williams served as the advance man, organizing some of the most important events in the movement. Williams traveled to cities throughout the South, recruiting and organizing volunteers, paving the way for appearances by Dr. King, Jesse Jackson, and Andrew Young. Williams and John Lewis led the "Bloody Sunday" march in Selma, Alabama, in 1965. Episode #2: Did Dr. Martin Luther King's Dream Become a Nightmare? Dr. King's legacy inspired generations of activists and leaders, and his contributions continue to be recognized and celebrated today as a beacon of hope and progress. But Dr. King had a premonition about his death, and he warned the members of his Inner Circle to beware of the tactics external forces would use to break the movement apart after he was gone. As a member of the King's Inner Circle, Rev . Hosea Williams served as the advance man, organizing some of the most important events in the movement. Williams traveled to cities throughout the South, recruiting and organizing volunteers, paving the way for appearances by Dr. King, Jesse Jackson , and Andrew Young . Williams and John Lewis led the "Bloody Sunday" march in Selma, Alabama, in 1965. This episode features an interview from September of 1994 with Dr. Shelley Stewart and Rev . Hosea Williams . Hosea reveals the dire warning Dr. King had for the members of his Inner Circle. Was Hosea Williams right? Did the Dream of Dr. Martin Luther King Become a Nightmare? View Episode 2 Details & Resources We want to hear from you. Submit your vote. Additionally, use the contact form at the bottom of the page to share additional thoughts, comments, and questions. Click An Icon Below To Listen To Podcast More About Hosea Williams & Dr. King's Inner Circle The Irish Times Member of King's Inner Circle Who Was Used to Stir Up Blackunrest Hosea Williams, one of the most active and controversial members of Dr. Martin Luther King's inner circle, died on November 16th aged 74. In 1968, he witnessed the assination of Dr. King, who had once described him as "my wild man, my Castro". King relied heavily on Hosea's fiery rhetoric to stir up black opposition to southern segregation. Once he had created a furore, King could arrive much more effectively with his message of peace and reconciliation... Read More USA Today List of People at the Lorraine Motel With Martin Luther King Jr. Also depicted in the photo of King on the balcony the day before his death is Hosea Williams. Williams was arrested 125 times for his militant acts of defiance while working in service to the civil rights movement. Perhaps his passion for civil rights was a direct consequence of his having been beaten so severely he was hospitalized for five weeks because he had a drink at a "whites-only" bar. Not as well known as King or Jackson, Williams nevertheless was a major figure in the civil rights movement with several triumphs to his credit. Because of his efforts, Savannah, Georgia, was the first city to ban "whites-only" lunch counters. He also led a march against the Klu Klux Klan in 1987 and won a $950,000 jury award after suing Forsyth County. He later became a senator and died of cancer in 2000. Read More #Ronald Martin Unfiltered Dr. Dorothy Cotton, the only woman in MLK's inner circle, in her last sitdown TV interview. #RolandMartinUnfiltered streamed an exclusive interview with key members of the civil rights movement, including Dr. Dorothy, Rev. Jesse Jackson, and so many others. Watch Now Dive Deeper CNN OPINION Martin Luther King’s dream is alive The Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. would hardly recognize America in 2013, the 50th anniversary year of his world-famous “I Have a Dream” speech on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. The efforts of King and countless others have not only made it possible for Barack Obama to become the first black president of the United States, but also created unprecedented opportunities for the likes of Oprah Winfrey, Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor, and virtually anyone who had previously been given a check that has, as King put it, “come back marked ‘insufficient funds.’” Read More

Listen to Season 2 Now We've got new content for you every Wednesday. Make sure you subscribe! Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON TWO: EPISODE 10 The Plantation Ghost Today Shelley shares an interview from 1995 with Ezekwa Abdullah. Ezekwa argues that Blacks still repress themselves and suffer a form of psychological slavery in the collective subconscious psyche because attitudes of repression have been preserved and passed from one generation to the next. The ghost of the plantation exists today because not enough has been done to condemn this point of view. View Episode 10 Details & Resources Click An Icon Below To Listen To Podcast Recently Aired SEASON TWO: EPISODE 10 The Plantation Ghost Today Shelley shares an interview from 1995 with Ezekwa Abdullah. Ezekwa argues that Blacks still repress themselves and suffer a form of psychological slavery in the collective subconscious psyche because attitudes of repression have been preserved and passed from one generation to the next. The ghost of the plantation exists today because not enough has been done to condemn this point of view. View Episode 10 Details & Resources SEASON TWO: EPISODE 9 Free By Choice Inmates Share Their Stories Today, Shelley replays an interview from the Free By Choice program, which brought inmates from Alabama prisons on the air to speak openly about their crimes and the decisions which led to them. These Free By Choice inmates had a strong desire to share their stories so their suffering could serve to help others avoid making the same mistakes. View Episode 9 Details & Resources SEASON TWO: EPISODE 8 The Persistent Problem of Colorism Today, Shelley reaches back into his archive to an interview with Mariam McClendon. They discuss colorism, that is, the differences in perception between light- and dark-complected blacks and the challenges darker-complected blacks encounter – even from members of their own race. Even though the interview is from 1991, the problem of colorism still exists today, hindering relationships and opportunities among blacks. View Episode 8 Details & Resources SEASON TWO: EPISODE 7 From Running Track to Running Drugs: An Interview with Orlando Jones Today’s episode of Shelley’s Plumbline features an interview from 1989 with Orlando Jones, a one-time track star at the University of Alabama. Orlando shares his story of how he went from running on a track as an All-American scholarship athlete to running drugs across the border in Mexico, eventually getting caught and landing in prison. He shares his message in the hope that others might avoid his fate. View Episode 7 Details & Resources SEASON TWO: EPISODE 6 Life After Prison:An Interview with Julius Davis Today’s episode features a 1993 interview with Julius Davis, a man who had just spent 19 years in prison. At 21 years of age, he had been handed two life sentences for his involvement in two separate murders. Julius discusses how prior to his crimes, he was involved as a positive influence in his community and how two bad decisions led him to prison. While in prison, however, Julius did not fall victim to negative influences. He created a circle of constructive people who kept their spirits in a positive place and made the best of the prison experience. Listen and hear how he continued his positive influence on the community after his release. View Episode 6 Details & Resources SEASON TWO: EPISODE 5 I Love The Skin I'm In In this episode, Shelley reflects on an interview from 1991 that covers the topic of racial identity. Which is the correct terminology? Black? African-American, People of Color? The interview also discusses class differences among Blacks. Be advised that this episode contains frank discussions about race and uses the n-word. Listener discretion is advised. View Episode 5 Details & Resources SEASON TWO: EPISODE 4 The Evolution of Black Media, Part 2 Today we continue exploring the Evolution of Black Media and the role Black radio stations played during the Civil Rights Movement of the 60s. We explore how the Black population began to look to popular disc jockeys such as Jack Gibson, Gertrude Cooper, Georgie Woods, Martha Jean “the Queen,” and the Plumbline’s very own Shelley “The Playboy” Stewart to hear coded messages regarding protests and demonstrations. Black Radio stations gave a voice to Dr. King and other prominent members of the Movement and became the medium of choice for disseminating urgent messages and direction. View Episode 4 Details & Resources SEASON TWO: EPISODE 3 The Evolution of Black Media, Part 1 This week we kick off the first of a two-part series on the Evolution of Black Media. In this episode, Shelley tells us about the early days of Black Media and how much of the entertainment for black audiences was produced by whites. Amos N Andy, for example, a well-known radio sitcom, was produced and performed by two white actors. Shelley recalls how the first black man in radio, Jack Cooper, blazed a trail in 1929, and by the time Shelley created his Playboy persona, he wasn’t interested in entertaining just blacks; he used the power of music to bring people together. View Episode 3 Details & Resources SEASON TWO: EPISODE 2 Finding Musical Talent on the Chitlin' Circuit Today we continue telling the story of Shelley’s life in the world of music as he reflects on his days traveling the south on what was known as the Chitlin' Circuit. As a talent agent for Shelby Singleton Productions, Shelley traveled the Chitlin Circuit searching for talent that played in small towns throughout the South. He would then take the talent to big cities to cut records and get exposure. He discovered Clarence Junior Lewis, who went by the stage name “CL Blast” Shelley discovered Willie Hightower and Johnny Adams. He managed The Dynamic Soul Machine and helped launch the career of JV Jenkins, who performed a moving rendition of Peace in the Valley at the inauguration of Birmingham’s first black mayor, Richard Arrington. Listen in as Shelley shares music, insights, and inside stories about his life on the “Chitlin' Circuit.” View Episode 2 Details & Resources SEASON TWO: EPISODE 1 Eddie Kendricks' Last Interview View Episode 1 Details & Resources Today, we’ll begin an exploration of Shelley’s fascinating life in the music world. Over the course of his career, Shelley worked with many major names in music, such as Jackie Wilso n, Aretha Franklin , Wilson Pickett , and The Temptations . And he became fast friends with musical giants such as Bobby "Blue" Bland , Otis Redding , and Isaac Hayes . We’ll hear a clip of his interview with Eddie Kendricks , a lead singer with The Temptations. The interview traces the evolution of The Temptations, and discusses the surprising strategies of Barry Gordy and Motown Records and how they would manage the careers of groups, giving hit songs to certain groups to increase their popularity and accelerate their careers. Shelley Stewart LISTEN Season One Episode 1: Internalized Racism Season One Episode 2: Did Dr. Martin Luther King's Dream Become A Nightmare? Season One Episode 3: Homelessness Season One Episode 4: Hate Crimes Season One Episode 5: Is There A Need For HBCUs? Season One Episode 6: Should We End Black History Month? 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Today, Shelley reaches back into his archive to an interview with Mariam McClendon. They discuss colorism, that is, the differences in perception between light- and dark-complected blacks and the challenges darker-complected blacks encounter – even from members of their own race. Even though the interview is from 1991, the problem of colorism still exists today, hindering relationships and opportunities among blacks. Season Two: Episode 08 The Persistent Problem of Colorism Today, Shelley reaches back into his archive to an interview with Mariam McClendon. They discuss colorism, that is, the differences in perception between light- and dark-complected blacks and the challenges darker-complected blacks encounter – even from members of their own race. Even though the interview is from 1991, the problem of colorism still exists today, hindering relationships and opportunities among blacks. Click An Icon Below To Listen To Shelley's Plumbline Podcast Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . The death of George Floyd last year has shone a spotlight on what it means to be Black, and especially, to be dark-skinned in America. Special correspondent Fred de Sam Lazaro has our report from Minnesota, home to a growing population of African and other immigrants. It is part of our continuing series "Race Matters", and Fred’s series, "Agents for Change." Watch Now In this extended interview from Roots, Race & Culture, Danor and Lonzo continue their conversation about colorism with University of Utah professor Edmund Fong and current student Darienne Debrule. The group explores how colorism differs among varying ethnic groups, and how you can help combat colorism in your own community. Watch Now CNN's Anderson Cooper highlights a project that reveals how children view racial beliefs, attitudes and preferences . Study shows black and white children are biased toward lighter skin. Test aimed to re-create landmark Doll Test from 1940s. Watch Now When Chika Okoro read the casting call for one of her favorite films, she noticed that actresses with darker skin were assigned lesser roles —prompting her to address a phenomenon she'd experienced all her life: colorism. In this eye-opening talk, Okoro shares coping strategies along with steps that could help eliminate this insidious and destructive mindset of discrimination. Watch Now When I began teaching in Boston, I was struck by how often students of color referred to each other as “light-skinned” or “dark-skinned.” Almost daily, I witnessed high school students identify, categorize and stereotype their peers based on skin tone. Having grown up African American in Louisiana, I was used to white people’s ideas of white superiority and even those “colorstruck” black people who preferred lighter skin. But I did not expect that so many young people of diverse ethnicities—including Dominicans, Puerto Ricans and Cape Verdeans—would actively engage in everyday forms of skin-color bias Read more Coloism Toolik Colorism is an insidious, globally prevalent bias that deeply impacts the lives and livelihoods of darker-skinned women. The term refers not only to the preference for lighter skin between different racial and ethnic communities, but also within those communities. Colorism is an enduring vestige of colonialism and white dominance around the globe and disproportionately harms women of color. Inclusive leaders must work to prevent women of color from experiencing colorism at work — and make sure they don’t leave. The author presents three ways to disrupt colorism in the workplace. Read More Every year, Hollywood inevitably comes under criticism for its lack of racial diversity. But another lesser-known yet still pervasive problem also resurfaces: the lack of diversity in skin tone. It happened again with “In the Heights,” a big-budget film based on the musical created by Lin-Manuel Miranda, which was called out this week for its dearth of dark-skinned, Black Latinos in leading roles. Colorism — or discrimination against darker-skinned people within their same ethnic group — lurks deep among pretty much all communities with varying levels of melanin. But it doesn’t get talked about, and that could be a setback for the racial justice efforts that intensified after the police killing of George Floyd last year. Read more Upload

Plumbline News Room 01 The 2025 Radio Hall of Fame Inductees By the Radio Hall of Fame June 2025 02 New York Times By April 2023 03 At Age 88, Birmingham Radio Legend Shelley Stewart: ‘I Ain’t Tired Yet Birmingham Times By Jamaica Harris Bowser February 1, 2023 04 City of Birmingham hosts annual AWAKEN celebration honoring Dr. Shelley Stewart WVTM13 By Mattie Davis October 2022 05 Winnowed by the Hardships of His Youth, This Top Ad Executive is Now an Advocate for Keeping Kids in School American Essence By Karim Shamsi-Basha July 2022 06 Unsung Heroes of the Civil Rights Movement The Group Travel Leader By Brian Jewell March 4, 2022 07 A Black Radio Pioneer: One-On-One with Shelley ‘The Playboy’ Stewart CBS 42 By Art Franklin February 28, 2022 08 How Shelley Stewart Subverted the System to Become an Advertising Success Ad Week By Doug Zanger February 22, 2021 09 Groundbreaking partnership quietly defied the days of segregation Southern Jewish Life By Richard Friedman January 9, 2022

We continue telling the story of Shelley’s life in the world of music as he reflects on his days traveling the south on what was known as the Chitlin' Circuit. Season Two: Episode 02: Finding Musical Talent on the Chitlin' Circuit Today we continue telling the story of Shelley’s life in the world of music as he reflects on his days traveling the south on what was known as the Chitlin' Circuit . As a talent agent for Shelby Singleton Productions, Shelley traveled the Chitlin Circuit searching for talent that played in small towns throughout the South. He would then take the talent to big cities to cut records and get exposure. He discovered Clarence Junior Lewis , who went by the stage name “CL Blast ” Shelley discovered Willie Hightower and Johnny Adams. He managed The Dynamic Soul Machine and helped launch the career of JV Jenkins , who performed a moving rendition of Peace in the Valley at the inauguration of Birmingham’s first black mayor, Richard Arrington. Listen in as Shelley shares music, insights, and inside stories about his life on the “Chitlin' Circuit.” Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . Click An Icon Below To Listen To Shelley's Plumbline Podcast The influence of the music played in Chitlin Circuit and its culture played a pivotal role in integrating the Black and White races and was pertinent to the civil rights movement. In the s ummer of 1949, Billboard renamed its African-American music bestseller list from 'Race Records' to Rhythm and Blues Records. - excerpt from Chitlin' Circuit: Blues Culture and American Culture by Richard K. You Chitlin Circuit Sign in Chitlin Circuit Play Video Share Whole Channel This Video Facebook Twitter Pinterest Tumblr Copy Link Link Copied Search videos Search video... All Categories All Categories Now Playing Shelley Stewart Lifetime Achievement Award 04:59 Play Video Now Playing Who Is Shelley the Playboy? 04:54 Play Video Upload

Season 16: SEASON 16: EPISODE 3 We Revisit Horace Huntley and the Notion of Cultural Annihilation In this week's episode, we re-examine an interview with historian Horace Huntley conducted in 1997 by Dr. Shelley Stewart. The discussion emphasizes that white supremacy operates like a cancer that continuously mutates across generations, and highlights the heavy public criticism Shelley faced for discussing racial issues openly. We discuss how mainstream networks avoid authentic conversations on race in favor of state-sponsored viewpoints—with independent podcast platforms, which provide essential spaces for honest, uncompromised dialogue. SEASON 16: EPISODE 2 Dr Ricky Jones Reflects on the Legacy of Hosea Williams As a member of the King's inner circle, Hosea Williams served as the advance man, organizing some of the most important events in the movement. Williams traveled to cities throughout the South, recruiting and organizing volunteers, paving the way for appearances by King, Jesse Jackson, and Andrew Young. Williams and John Lewis led the "Bloody Sunday" march in Selma, Alabama, in 1965. This episode features an interview from September of 1994 with Shelley Stewart and Hosea Williams. Hosea reveals the dire warning King had for the members of his inner circle. Ricky reflects on the Black struggle and the unfortunate missteps made by Black leaders after the loss of King. SEASON 16: EPISODE 1 Shelley's 92nd Birthday Podcast Celebration In this episode Shelley reflects on his journey from a homeless youth in Birmingham to a pioneering radio personality and successful business consultant. This episode touches on civil rights history, economic empowerment, education, and the ongoing struggle for equality, offering a powerful look at legacy, fatherhood, and social consciousness. Season 15: SEASON 15: EPISODE 9 The End of Reading In this episode, we explore the sharp decline in educational literacy across the U.S. and the emerging cognitive threats posed by artificial intelligence. We examine alarming literacy trends, including 25 million American children reading below proficiency, 61% of low-income families lacking age-appropriate books, and only 2% of adults reading to a child on any given day. As reading for pleasure continues to drop, we discuss how reading and writing serve as essential brain exercises to refine and test ideas. Finally, we address growing concerns that an over-reliance on AI for writing and thinking will cause critical thinking skills to atrophy, undermine the foundational competency of future professionals like doctors and lawyers, and force educators to turn back to oral exams. SEASON 15: EPISODE 8 Some Truths That Hurt In this episode, hosts Shelley Stewart, Ricky Jones, and Mark Jamroz explore the persistent challenges of truth-telling in both professional and societal contexts. Key Topics Discussed: The Cost of Truth: An analysis of why individuals often prioritize saying what others want to hear over speaking necessary truths—a pattern observed from the 1950s through today. Barriers to Progress: An examination of how the fear of professional retaliation, selfishness, and the preservation of racial dominance stifle advocacy and collective growth. Responsibility & Literacy: A conversation on the importance of personal and familial accountability, and the growing concern over rising anti-intellectualism and the decline in engagement with historical documentation. Future Challenges: A preview of upcoming discussions, including the societal risks of artificial intelligence and the "illiteracy of America." Join us as we discuss the necessity of individual courage and the critical work required to prevent historical and painful experiences from being ignored. SEASON 15: EPISODE 7 Resilience, Representation, and the Reality of Black Academia This episode of Shelley's Plumbline celebrates the return of Dr. Shelley Stewart to the podcast team! The discussion centers on the systemic challenges facing black academics and educators, including the mental health toll of targeted media attacks, the lack of representation in higher education (where black professors constitute only 5% of the faculty), and the exclusion of black voices from mainstream media platforms. The hosts also touch upon conflicts involving high-profile media figures, critique narratives surrounding black tenure-track faculty, and reflect on historical events to contextualize the ongoing struggle for visibility and equality. SEASON 15: EPISODE 6 Erasing Black History in the Military In this episode, Mark and Ricky pull back the curtain on the hypocrisy within military leadership, discussing the targeted removal of Black historical figures from institutions and the exclusionary rhetoric permeating the Pentagon. Through the lens of Clint Smith’s The Atlantic piece, "The Betrayal of America’s Black Patriots," they analyze the complex legacy of figures like Gen. Daniel "Chappie" James Jr. and the persistent "unrequited love" Black Americans have shown a country that often fails to return it. SEASON 15: EPISODE 5 REBROADCAST: A meeting with a Grand Knight of the KKK, A Minister of the Nation of Islam and the Executive Director of the National Conference of Christians and Jews In 1993, Shelley hosted the Shelley Stewart Show, Survival in the 90s. It was a talk show on television that ran for 13 episodes. Today, we feature the audio from an extraordinary episode that featured a conversation with three very different people on the same stage. The discussion featured Lamarse Washington, Executive Director of the National Conference of Christians and Jews, William Muhammad, Minister of Nation of Islam and on the other end of the spectrum, William Burchfield, Grand Titan of Alabama for the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. Can you imagine a more diverse group in one place? We believe that you’ll discover the topics between then and today are not that different. But we wonder, could people of such diverse opinions share a stage with civility and respect today? SEASON 15: EPISODE 4 Is Education Running Scared? In today's episode, Ricky highlights the erosion of intellectual freedom in Alabama, citing issues at Auburn University and the University of Alabama regarding the dismantling of faculty senates and Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) initiatives. They argue that university leadership is either cowed by the threat of losing state funding or ideologically aligned with white supremacist efforts to limit diversity and critical thinking. They challenge the myth that universities are inherently progressive spaces, noting that many never truly committed to integration in the first place. SEASON 15: EPISODE 3 Shelley's Father's Day Message from 1996. Today, we continue in the theme of fathers as we rebroadcast a show we released on near his birthday, September 27, 2023. It features a recording of a speech Shelley made on Father's Day when he was 63 years old at Friendship Baptist Church . This Church plays a special role in Shelley's life. As a boy of five, he saw his mother murdered just a few blocks away. In spite of growing up without his parents, he would celebrate his graduation in this same Church. Without a doubt, the Friendship Baptist Church has held a special place in Shelley's heart. In today's podcast, he shares a message that he's shared all his life. A message that tells hard truths but also triumphs love, mutual respect, and human rights for ALL people and that faith is the power that enables the unlikely to accomplish the impossible. Today's episode is a heartfelt message from Shelley, one of faith. What we know is if you lose faith, you lose all. SEASON 15: EPISODE 2 Crispus Attucks and the Real Meaning of Independence In this episode of "Shelley's Plumline," hosts Mark Jamroz and Dr. Ricky Jones explore the foundational contradictions of American history, using Frederick Douglass’s critique of Independence Day as a starting point. We analyze the systematic erasure of figures like Crispus Attucks from public memory and discuss how lingering ideologies from the Civil War era continue to influence modern society. The episode concludes by encouraging listeners to engage in independent research to critically examine these historical narratives and their ongoing impact on American democracy. SEASON 15: EPISODE 1 You Don't Have to Be a Father to Be a Father. You don't have to be a dad to be a father. Mentor a child. Set a good example. Teach our youth the right direction. Happy Father's Day. Season 14: SEASON 14: EPISODE 10 Education Lifts All Ships (Rebroadcast) Shelley's Plumbline is on a short summer break. In the meantime, Shelley asked that we rebroadcast some of our most popular episodes on the importance of education. SEASON 14: EPISODE 9 The Rapid Decline of Education in America In this week's podcast, Dr. Ricky Jones calls out modern efforts to roll back Civil Rights gains. The discussion highlights the systematic underfunding of Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs) and the use of anti-affirmative action and anti-DEI movements to restrict Black student access and support at predominantly white institutions. We discuss how the real value of education is not economic profit, but rather its power to create critically thinking individuals who are capable of examining and challenging the society in which they live. The segment concludes with a consensus that the current lack of critical thinking, fueled by miseducation, is allowing the media to manipulate the masses. SEASON 14: EPISODE 8 What Have We Done Wrong? This episode of Shelley's Plumbline explores the question of what we, as Black men and a people, have done wrong in the ongoing struggle for equality? Stewart frames this introspection with painful memories of childhood segregation and being told he was "wrong" simply because of his color. Dr. Jones refines the query into two parts: "What is wrong with blackness" that the country treats Black people the way it does, and what tactical mistakes have been made in addressing these issues, such as the push for integration or traditional politics. Shelley also recounts his experience as a broadcaster confronting racism, often facing criticism from others in the Black community who accused him of "stirring up trouble" or being wrong for speaking his mind. The conversation emphasizes the critical difference between external criticism and self-critique, with Dr. Jones warning against the narcissism of those who discuss only wrongs done to them rather than wrongs they have committed. Stewart shares a powerful personal story illustrating his decades-long commitment to justice: he was so disturbed by a white preacher using the radio airwaves to promote segregation, arguing that "black birds and white birds" don't fly together, that he eventually bought the station to take the message off the air. The co-hosts connect this generational struggle to modern challenges, noting that the community solidarity seen in the Civil Rights era has fractured, attributing the decline in part to Black people buying "lock, stock, and barrel into American individualism." SEASON 14: EPISODE 7 Shelley Shares Stories About the AG Gaston Motel SEASON 14: EPISODE 6 War. What is it Good for? This week on Shelley's Plumbline, we look into the true meaning of war, questioning the moral center of American conflicts, and suggesting that the biggest challenge today is simply survival in America. The discussion exposes America's "masterful lie" of liberty and justice for all, highlighting the historical and ongoing racial injustice faced by Black veterans returning from conflicts. The speakers assert that white supremacy has created a generation unaware that America is currently losing a race war. Listen as the hosts warn that the failure of leaders to confront these terrifying realities is a danger we can no longer afford to deny, leading to the philosophical question: "If you knew better, would you do better?" SEASON 14: EPISODE 5 An Interview with Music Writer, Candis Bonner (Part 2) In this week's podcast, we continue our interview featuring Candis Bonner, a top writer for the major magazine Black Radio Exclusive . We focus on the history and evolution of the Black radio industry. Bonner explains that Black radio was not homogeneous across the US, and her publication was often ahead of the curve in predicting music trends because it was dedicated to the industry when general trades neglected it. We discuss the historical power of influential local Black radio personalities, who could previously mobilize thousands of people for community action. However, this local power ultimately diminished because syndicated shows, driven by money, diluted the influence of these strong local voices. SEASON 14: EPISODE 4 An Interview with Music Writer, Candis Bonner (Part 1) This week's podcast features guest Candis Bonner, who shares a conversation about lifelong friendship and the evolution of Black media. Friendship Loss and Reunion We discuss the pain of losing friends and the rarity of true friendship. Shelley recounts the emotional reunion with his lifelong friend, Jimmy, after 10 years of separation following his homelessness at age 7. Black Radio Industry History Candis Bonner, Jimmy’s daughter, shares stories of her career path from Michigan State to a top writer for Black Radio Exclusive in Los Angeles. The episode discusses that syndicated shows, driven by money, ultimately dilute the power of influential local Black radio personalities who could mobilize cities. Current State of Black Media Shelley and Candis Bonner agree that effective Black-owned media is virtually nonexistent today because Black-owned media cannot secure financial support or advertising from the business community. Ricky Jones expressed concern that the ongoing struggle is terrifying due to the absolute collapse of Black institutions and shrinking attention spans in younger adults. SEASON 14: EPISODE 3 Has Civil Rights Lost Its Bite? This week's episode of Shelley's Plumbline explores the opposition to Human Rights progress, including the anti-DEI movement and the inaction of the Black bourgeoisie, prompting a call for a desperate resurgence of the movement for freedom. Shelley and Ricky emphasize the crucial role of education, advocating for widespread reading and critical thinking as a necessary exercise to counter the shallowness of social media content. Shelley recounts a striking personal story about openly engaging with members of the Ku Klux Klan in their hometown. SEASON 14: EPISODE 2 Has the Role of Black Churches Changed? This week Shelley's Plumbline covers a debate on the Black Church's role in community unity and institutional strength, questioning if its historical influence on the community and youth still remains strong today. Shelley shares his concern about whether Black institutions like the church that once helped navigate racial struggles have weakened in that role. The discussion then addresses the ongoing fight for equality, emphasizing that awareness and responsibility are needed to address current racial conditions. SEASON 14: EPISODE 1 Which Golden Rule Do You Follow? The week's discussion centers on the pursuit of power, with Ricky and Shelley questioning the sustainability of the integration model and discussing the need for new political approaches, including "voluntary separation." We pay tribute to Reverend Jesse Jackson, remembering his dedication to "Education, hope, and the continuous fight for equality and power. Finally, we offer a critique of "late-stage capitalism" in America, which Ricky Jones argues is causing the economic collapse of institutions due to concentrated capital and systemic exploitation. Season 13: SEASON 13: EPISODE 10 Shelley's Back! In this episode, we dive into the pivotal moments that shaped our world—from the blackouts and segregation of the 1940s and post-war era, to the political earthquakes of Maynard Jackson’s and Coleman Young’s mayoral elections in Atlanta and Detroit. We compare the struggles for equality faced by figures like Reverend Jesse Jackson with the modern-day battles for DEI, ultimately asking: Is the core struggle still simply the fight for power and against "anti-blackness" in a system of "late-stage capitalism"? Let's get started. SEASON 13: EPISODE 9 Erasing History. This episode concludes a four-part series on Dr. Carter G. Woodson and centers on the loss of the Black Old Guard, specifically honoring Reverend Jesse Jackson. A key point of discussion was the denial of Reverend Jackson lying in honor at the state capital, which the hosts connected to a broader historical erasure and ongoing attacks on education and historical acknowledgment. The hosts emphasized that confronting and learning from painful history, citing the Equal Justice Initiative (EJI) Moment, is crucial for future progress. Finally, the conversation critiqued the negative impact of capitalism on higher education, arguing that the focus on "job-ready" students produces individuals who lack critical thinking skills. SEASON 13: EPISODE 8 Woodson's Challenge: Should Funding Dollars Make Decisions? This week's episode continues our Black History Month series on Dr. Carter G. Woodson, whose rejection of the NAACP begs the question: Does the influence of funding to Black movements trigger the need for a "leadership audit" within Black organizations? SEASON 13: EPISODE 7 Carter G. Woodson and the Challenges of Black Leadership This week's episode continues the focus on the life and ideology of Dr. Carter G. Woodson as part of a four-part Black History Month series. We open by marking the 100th anniversary of the founding of Negro History Week and re-ask Woodson’s provocative question from the 1940s: "Do we deserve to celebrate right now?" Woodson opined that celebration was unwarranted if Black people had not studied their history and contemporary situation to better understand what is really happening today. Ricky discusses the historical necessity and proliferation of Black organizations post-1865, following emancipation. These groups, including Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs), the Niagara Movement, the NAACP, and the Urban League, were established as collective tools to ensure the well-being of Black men, women, and children against white supremacy, post-Reconstruction backlash, and challenges like Plessy v. Ferguson. The episode covers the historical friction among Black leaders and discusses Woodson's split with the NAACP in 1915. Woodson found the Washington D.C. branch, led by Archer Grimkey, to be "too moderate." After Grimkey refused his proposals to expand the branch’s operations, Woodson left, declaring, "I am a radical. I am ready to act if I can find brave men to help me." Bringing the conversation to the modern day, the hosts cited recent brazen examples of racism and questioned the preparedness of contemporary Black organizations, including fraternities, sororities, the Black church, the NAACP, and the Urban League. SEASON 13: EPISODE 6 Have You Earned the Right to Celebrate BHM? In this special Black History Month episode of Shelley's Plumbline, executive producer Mark Jamroz and host Dr. Ricky Jones—son of the Radio Hall of Famer Shelley Stewart—share a conversation on Carter G. Woodson and the origins of Black History Month. The core of the conversation focuses on the legacy of Carter G. Woodson and the founding of Negro History Week, with Jones detailing Woodson's academic journey and his concerns about the miseducation of Black people. The episode ultimately challenges listeners to do their homework. Black people do not currently "deserve to celebrate" Black History Month and must commit to serious study and organization to earn the right to celebrate in 2027. Are you ready to celebrate? Tune in and let us know. SEASON 13: EPISODE 5 Dr. Ricky Jones' MLK Speech: Holding a Mirror of Truth to America's Face SEASON 13: EPISODE 4 Some Truths About Claudette Colvin and Rosa Parks (Rebroadcast) We join the nation in mourning the loss of civil rights pioneer Claudette Colvin, who passed away on January 13, 2026, at the age of 86. In her honor, we are rebroadcasting this interview with her sister, Gloria Laster, originally broadcast on December 2, 2025. The discussion centers on the overlooked role of Colvin, the 15-year-old arrested nine months before Rosa Parks for the same act of defiance.Laster recounts how Colvin was a plaintiff in the successful Browder v. Gale Supreme Court case that desegregated transportation but was intentionally excluded from the movement's public narrative. The conversation details the factors that led organizers, including the NAACP, to choose Rosa Parks as the face of the movement. Unlike Colvin, Parks' adult status and "respectable" image were considered more palatable, while Colvin was sidelined due to her youth, dark skin tone, poor family background, and rumors of pregnancy (later clarified as having occurred after her arrest). The episode stresses that the initial idea for the bus boycott was driven by women whose efforts were later minimized when male leaders, including Martin Luther King, took over. Shelley and Ricky Jones reflect on the ultimate disregard shown to many women of the movement, including Colvin and other plaintiffs like Mary Louise Smith and Aurelia Browder. They discuss how both Colvin and Rosa Parks were poorly treated by the male-dominated leadership, with Parks ultimately dying poor while their male counterparts gained prestigious positions. The episode sets the stage for a promised follow-up program, "Whatever Happened to Rosa Parks," to shed light on her struggles in the years after the Civil Rights Act. SEASON 13: EPISODE 3 A Review of Our Favorite Plumblines of 2025 Join Shelley's Plumbline for this powerful year-end recap, reflecting on the most impactful conversations of 2025, a year marked by the addition of co-host Dr. Ricky Jones. Jones’s arrival brought a new voice of depth and truth that resonated profoundly with listeners. The year’s second most downloaded episode, "Finding My Father," featured the emotional and deeply personal story that revealed Dr. Shelley Stewart is the father of Dr. Ricky Jones, a testament to the podcast's commitment to honesty and personal connection. The discussions this year consistently moved beyond surface-level answers to confront tough questions about our culture and history. The podcast tackled the unfulfilled dream of Martin Luther King. The episode “Racism Today” became the most downloaded of the year, examining how old policies are simply being “re-enacted” through new "code words" like the attack on DEI. The year also featured vital insights from guests like Marlon Keller on the importance of fatherhood, artist Erica Chisholm on using creativity to "speak truth to power," and Elijah Davis on sharing generational knowledge. The episode honors the unsung heroes of history and celebrates a broadcasting giant. Gloria Laster, the sister of Claudette Colvin, offered a critical correction to the historical narrative, clarifying that her sister was not pregnant at the time of her famous bus protest. Finally, the year culminated with the well-deserved induction of Dr. Shelley Stewart into the Radio Hall of Fame, a milestone affirming his six-decade-plus career as an entertainer and an on-air voice of the Civil Rights movement across the Southeast. Looking ahead to 2026, we will stay curious, listen with empathy, speak with courage, and continue the journey to find the line that leads to the truth. SEASON 13: EPISODE 2 Racism Today (Rebroadcast) Hello, Plumbliners! Shelley, Mark and Ricky are going to take a break going into the holiday season. So today, we (re)present the most downloaded Plumbline episode of 2025, titled "Racism Today." In this episode, Shelley, Mark and Ricky Jones launch into a powerful discussion on the enduring struggle against racism, arguing that while overt segregation is gone, it has transformed, with terms like DEI serving as "code words" for veiled racist policies. They explore the historical context of white supremacy, citing Abraham Lincoln's views on racial inequality, and stress the urgent need for continued, honest conversation about justice. The episode also covers modern dangers to society like greed and anti-intellectualism, and examines intra-racial dynamics and miseducation within the Black community. Listen, lear,n and share your thoughts. SEASON 13: EPISODE 1 Whatever Happened to Rosa Parks? Today, Shelley and Ricky focus their discussion on the ongoing disregard for both Claudette Colvin and Rosa Parks after the bus boycott, noting Parks' financial struggles and the general minimization of women's contributions by male movement leaders. Shelley and Ricky share a broader contemporary critique, lamenting the societal decline in critical thinking and sacrifice, and analyzing how modern oppressive systems have adapted to be less overt but more dangerous. The Plumbline concludes by encouraging listeners to reflect on the history of Colvin and Parks to assess the current status of the Black community and the importance of thought and communication. Season 12: SEASON 12: EPISODE 10 Some Truths About Claudette Colvin and Rosa Parks. This episode of Shelley's Plumline, explores the 70th anniversary of the Montgomery Bus Boycott with special guest Gloria Laster, the older sister of Claudette Colvin. The discussion centers on the overlooked role of Colvin, the 15-year-old arrested nine months before Rosa Parks for the same act of defiance. Laster recounts how Colvin was a plaintiff in the successful Browder v. Gale Supreme Court case that desegregated transportation but was intentionally excluded from the movement's public narrative. The conversation details the factors that led organizers, including the NAACP, to choose Rosa Parks as the movement's face. Unlike Colvin, Parks' adult status and "respectable" image were considered more palatable, while Colvin was sidelined due to her youth, dark skin tone, poor family background, and rumors of pregnancy (later clarified as having occurred after her arrest). The episode stresses that the initial idea for the bus boycott was driven by women whose efforts were later minimized when male leaders, including Martin Luther King, took over. Shelley and Ricky Jones reflect on the ultimate disregard shown to many women of the movement, including Colvin and other plaintiffs like Mary Louise Smith and Aurelia Browder. They discuss how both Colvin and Rosa Parks were poorly treated by the male-dominated leadership, with Parks ultimately dying poor while their male counterparts gained prestigious positions. The episode sets the stage for a promised follow-up program, "Whatever Happened to Rosa Parks," to shed light on her struggles in the years after the Civil Rights Act. SEASON 12: EPISODE 9 Shelley's Role in the Children's March. In this episode, Shelley and Ricky discuss the key role that Shelley played in the Children's March. The scene is Birmingham, Alabama, April and May of 1963. Martin Luther King Jr.’s advisors had deliberately chosen the city to confront the notoriously violent Police Commissioner, Bull Connor. Shelley recounts advising King to leave the pulpit and engage directly with the people on the street, which helped build community support. The planning for the march was highly secretive, with Shelley devising a strategy to communicate with children across schools, by playing Joe Turner’s record, “Shake, Rattle and Roll" during Shelley's radio show. He would follow up the song by saying there's going to be a “picnic in the park,” as the signal for the children to gather. The execution of the March quickly escalated into a national crisis. On May 2, 1963, the first day of the march, over 600 children were arrested. On the second day, Bull Connor’s decision to use fire hoses and police dogs against more than 1,000 children provoked an overwhelming response from the parents, who then joined the movement. Shelley shares that Bull Connor was entirely overwhelmed, leading to the situation being “too far gone,” which ultimately prompted the intervention of President John F. Kennedy. The group emphasized the importance of preserving this history, particularly the role of the "foot soldiers" who are often forgotten in the crusade for human rights. SEASON 12: EPISODE 8 Shelley's Encounters with the KKK In this episode, Shelley recounts his conflicts with the Ku Klux Klan in Birmingham in the 1950s, intensified by his refusal to adhere to segregated customs in local stores. Shelley reveals that many Klan members were police officers and local business owners. His activism escalated on his WEDR radio show, where he publicly discussed the segregated city, education, and incidents of violence and bombing that major white papers omitted. This defiance resulted in death threats from the Klan and pressure on the station owner. Encounters included the KKK painting graffiti on the radio station in 1958 and a confrontation at an integrated dance club in 1960. SEASON 12: EPISODE 7 Shelley's Early Days in Radio SEASON 12: EPISODE 6 Shelley "The Playboy" Enters the Radio Hall of Fame SEASON 12: EPISODE 5 If We Knew Better, Part 2 SEASON 12: EPISODE 4 If We Knew Better, Part 1 SEASON 12: EPISODE 3 Miseducation Continues SEASON 12: EPISODE 2 Racism Today. SEASON 12: EPISODE 1 Hosea Revisited. Season 11: SEASON 11: EPISODE 10 Shelley's 91st Birthday SEASON 11: EPISODE 9 What has Happened to Black Media? SEASON 11: EPISODE 8 Is Our Progress Going Backwards? SEASON 11: EPISODE 7 Education Lifts All Ships SEASON 11: EPISODE 6 Is DEI Dead? Is Education Undervalued? In this powerful conversation, 91-year-old icon Dr. Shelley Stewart teams up again with his son, Dr. Ricky Jones, to expose what’s really happening in education today—from the attacks on DEI to the erasure of Black educators. This isn’t just a podcast. It’s a multigenerational truth-telling session between strength and wisdom—between a father and son who refuse to stay silent. SEASON 11: EPISODE 5 Is Ignorance Destroying (the) US? In Episode 5 of Season 11, Shelley’s Plumbline delivers a masterclass on hard truths. From the myth of post-racial progress to the silencing of Black educators, Dr. Shelley Stewart and Dr. Ricky Jones ask: 🔥 Why are we still teaching justice to those in power? 🔥 What’s the cost of Black people always being “the lesson” in white institutions? 🔥 How do we reclaim our schools, our minds, our futures? Dr. Stewart: “I’m not giving up.” Dr. Jones: “Some places are a lost cause. We need to stop wasting time begging and start building.” 🧠 This isn’t just dialogue—it’s documentation. 🎙 Catch the conversation that refuses to stay silent. SEASON 11: EPISODE 4 Are We Afraid to Dream? This week, Shelley chats once again with Dr. Ricky Jones, Professor of Pan-African Studies at the University of Louisville. Dr. Jones highlights W.E.B. Du Bois's views on broad educational access for African Americans and critiques the negative impact of integration on Black education. Shelley and Dr. Jones explore the historical context of Black education and media, the loss of community control, and the challenges within predominantly white institutions. The discussion also touched upon the "Yankelovich report" and "strategic concealment," the "black tax" and dreaming beyond employment, and the persistent challenges of racism in America. Shelley and Dr Jones highlight the importance of economic responsibility and education within the Black community, discussing challenges in business and community development, and debating the feasibility of achieving systemic change versus individual successes. SEASON 11: EPISODE 3 Education Can Happen Anywhere What’s education got to do with it? Everything. But in a system built to hold us back, education isn’t even the top concern—discrimination is. In this bold and necessary conversation, Dr. Stewart sits down with Attorney Tom Larkin to unpack the roots of educational inequality, the legacy of slavery, and the power of putting fat in the game. Listen to this episode of Shelley’s Plumbline—where truth, love, and agitation meet. Featuring: Attorney Tom Larkin SEASON 11: EPISODE 2 From Projects to PhD: An Interview with Ricky Jones on the Importance of Education. (Rebroadcast) “People who are in control of the country because of racial stratification want to stay in control by keeping people stupid about the country’s history.” — Dr. Ricky Jones In this compelling episode of Shelley’s Plumbline, Dr. Jones calls out the deliberate silence around slavery and America’s original sins — the genocide of Native Americans and the enslavement of Black people. He and Dr. Stewart ask the hard questions: Why are so many still afraid to confront this history? And what is the cost of pretending it didn’t happen? Truth-telling isn’t just uncomfortable — it’s revolutionary. SEASON 11: EPISODE 1 Finding My Father This week on Shelley’s Plumbline… a revelation that changes everything. Dr. Ricky Jones has spent his life speaking truth to power. But in this episode, he shares a truth of his own—one that’s raw, personal, and decades in the making. For the first time publicly, Ricky reveals the identity of his father. That man… is Dr. Shelley Stewart. Yes—our Shelley. Human Rights icon. Radio legend. And the father Ricky never knew. What happens when two men—strangers by circumstance, bound by blood—sit face-to-face for the first time? You’ll want to hear this. The letter Ricky shared with our very own, Dr. Shelley Stewart, over 20 years ago. Season 10: SEASON 10: EPISODE 10 From Projects to PhD: An Interview with Ricky Jones on the Importance of Education. SEASON 10: EPISODE 9 Don't Be A Home for Hatred SEASON 10: EPISODE 8 Welcome Shelley Stewart to the Radio Hall of Fame! SEASON 10: EPISODE 7 Sharing Generational Knowledge with Elijah Davis SEASON 10: EPISODE 6 Young, Gifted and Black. A Chat with Artist Erica Chisholm SEASON 10: EPISODE 5 The Unknown Community of Calcis, Alabama SEASON 10: EPISODE 4 Discussing Fatherhood with Marlon Keller SEASON 10: EPISODE 3 Still Singing the Blues SEASON 10: EPISODE 2 There's a Leak in the Roof SEASON 10: EPISODE 1 Education is Our Greatest Asset Season 9: SEASON 9: EPISODE 10 Another Look At Hosea Williams Dr. King's legacy inspired generations of activists and leaders, and his contributions continue to be recognized and celebrated today as a beacon of hope and progress. But Dr. King had a premonition about his death, and he warned the members of his inner circle to beware of the tactics external forces would use to break the movement apart after he was gone. In today's episode, Shelley takes another look at his interview with Hosea Williams . As a member of the King's inner circle, Hosea Williams served as the advance man, organizing some of the most important events in the movement. Williams traveled to cities throughout the South, recruiting and organizing volunteers, paving the way for appearances by King, Jesse Jackson, and Andrew Young. Williams and John Lewis led the "Bloody Sunday" march in Selma, Alabama, in 1965. This episode features an interview from September of 1994 with Shelley Stewart and Hosea Williams. Hosea reveals the dire warning King had for the members of his inner circle. Was Hosea Williams right? Did the Dream of Dr. Martin Luther King Become a Nightmare? Listen and let us know what you think. SEASON 9: EPISODE 9 Happy Heavenly Birthday to Sam Stewart April 29 is a special day in Shelley's life. It is the birthday of his younger brother, Sam. Join us as Shelley shares an interview from 1994 with his brother Sam, just two weeks before his passing. SEASON 9: EPISODE 8 Respect for All SEASON 9: EPISODE 7 Responsibility in the Modern Age SEASON 9: EPISODE 6 Old Sayings That Still Have Meaning SEASON 9: EPISODE 5 A Meeting Is Not A Movement SEASON 9: EPISODE 4 Make America Greater SEASON 9: EPISODE 3 The Importance of Education SEASON 9: EPISODE 2 A Reunion with the Son of Mr Clyde Hey Plumbliners, we’ve often talked about Mr Clyde – the man who took Shelley in when he was living in Stringfellows Stable. Well, a few weeks ago Shelley had a reunion with Mr Clyde’s son. Stay tuned and we’ll tell you all about it. SEASON 9: EPISODE 1 Shelley's Back! Hey Plumbliners. Welcome to Season 9 of the Plumbline. Let’s take a walk about to the back porch and hear some of Shelley’s reflections on his 90 years of life. Get ready, Shelley is back! Season 8: SEASON 8: EPISODE 14 Should We End Black History Month? (Rebroadcast) Black History Month has been celebrated for decades as a time to honor and recognize the contributions and achievements of Black individuals throughout history. However, some argue that relegating Black history to a single month perpetuates segregation and fails to fully integrate it into the mainstream curriculum. Ending Black History Month could be beneficial, as it would emphasize that Black history is an integral part of American history that should be incorporated into educational curricula throughout the year. Today, we rebroadcast a podcast we first released in April of 2023. The podcast features an interview with Dr. Horace Huntley in February 1991 and suggests that by ending Black History Month, we might celebrate Black culture and history throughout the year. SEASON 8: EPISODE 13 The Back Porch: Race, Racism and Happiness (Rebroadcast) Hey Plumbliners, This week, we rebroadcast an episode we first released in June 2024. Shelley and I shared our experiences learning about race and racism. Then, we touched upon the topic of happiness. Stayed tuned. It's worth another listen. SEASON 8: EPISODE 11 Shelley Reflects on Black History Month and Racism (Rebroadcast) Today, we re-share an episode from 2023. Shelley shares his personal insights on the overt and not-so-overt signs that racism is still evident in America today. Stay tuned as the plumbline seeks the truth. SEASON 8: EPISODE 10 Hate Crimes (Rebroadcast) Hey Plumbliners. This is Mark Jamroz, producer of Shelley’s Plumbline. Just a few days ago, on January 27th, Shelley and I celebrated what would have been the 93rd birthday of his brother Jerome, affectionally known as Bubba. To continue that celebration, we’re going to rebroadcast one of the Plumbline’s most popular podcasts. It’s about Hate Crimes, featuring Rodney Max. It seems this message is as important today as it ever has been. Stay tuned, and Happy Heavenly Birthday to Jerome Stewart. SEASON 8: EPISODE 9 Rare Speeches of Dr. Martin Luther King (Rebroadcast) As we continue the retrospective of Shelley's Plumbline, and in honor of Martin Luther King Jr Day, we are rebroadcasting an episode from Season 3. They feature some rare recordings of #MLK that Shelley had forgotten about. These are speeches MLK made in Birmingham! Why are they rare? Because for his protection and to keep Bull Conner guessing, Dr. King would often show up to churches unannounced to make speeches. Shelley Stewart was in attendance recording the choir when Dr. King showed up. They left the recorder running when he made these speeches. You can hear them both in this week's podcast. Very timely given that September 15 is the anniversary of bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church. In Season 3, Shelley sets the record straight on the "Movement" and how only the media called it the "Civil Rights Movement." It was, and is, a Movement for the freedom of all people. Please listen, and if you are so moved, share it with others. #civilrightsmovement #shelleysplumbline #humanrights SEASON 8: EPISODE 8 Interview with Hosea Williams: Did the Dream of Dr King Become a Nightmare? (Rebroadcast) Dr. King's legacy inspired generations of activists and leaders, and his contributions continue to be recognized and celebrated today as a beacon of hope and progress. But Dr. King had a premonition about his death, and he warned the members of his inner circle to beware of the tactics external forces would use to break the movement apart after he was gone. As a member of the King's inner circle, Hosea Williams served as the advance man, organizing some of the most important events in the movement. Williams traveled to cities throughout the South, recruiting and organizing volunteers, paving the way for appearances by King, Jesse Jackson, and Andrew Young. Williams and John Lewis led the "Bloody Sunday" march in Selma, Alabama, in 1965. This episode features an interview from September of 1994 with Shelley Stewart and Hosea Williams. Hosea reveals the dire warning King had for the members of his inner circle. Was Hosea Williams right? Did the Dream of Dr. Martin Luther King Become a Nightmare? Listen and let us know what you think. SEASON 8: EPISODE 7 Internalized Racism (Rebroadcast) Hey, Plumbliners. As we rewind through some of our most popular podcasts, we couldn’t overlook our very first. It was published on April 17, 2023. And it’s about Internalized Racism. Take a listen. SEASON 8: EPISODE 6 Rebroadcast of The Last Interview with Eddie Kendricks Happy New Year, Plumbliners! Welcome to the year 2025! We are planning for great things in this new year, but before we get started, we wanted to look back. So, for the next few weeks, we will be rebroadcasting some of YOUR favorite Plumblines. To date, we have published 87 podcasts. While most of our fans are in the US, Shelley’s Plumbline has a global reach with downloads in Singapore, Asia, Europe, and Africa. When it comes to subject matter, some of our most popular podcasts have been about Internalized Racism, Hate Crimes, the interview with Hosea Williams, The Rare Speeches of Dr King, and the stories of Shelley’s life in music and the Chitlin' Circuit. So today, to kick off the New Year in style, we’re going to rebroadcast the episode of The Last Interview with Eddie Kendricks, the lead singer for The Temptations. SEASON 8: EPISODE 5 "The Colored Doctor," Dr Cashen In this episode, we continue our conversation from last week, when Shelley and Ezekwa discuss the effects of the Willie Lynch letter with Dr Cashen, a one-time candidate for governor of Alabama on the independent ticket. SEASON 8: EPISODE 4 Ezekwa Abdullah Discusses Willie Lynch in the Late 90s Today we pick up on the theme of the Willie Lynch letter, but in a different time and place. Stay tuned as we hear an interview from 1997 with Ezekwa Abdullah. SEASON 8: EPISODE 3 The Legend of Willie Lynch. Whether the Willie Lynch letter is real or not, the content of the message remains very much intact today. Seeding division among an audience is a way to get them fighting amongst themselves, which makes them easier to control from the outside. Today, Shelley takes a look at the continuing impact of that strategy on the world. SEASON 8: EPISODE 2 George Subira: Teaching Black People to Sell. Today, Shelley continues his search for the truth on the topic of selling. It is often an occupation that is looked on with disdain, yet nothing can happen without it. Whether it’s an idea or a product, we are all selling something. SEASON 8: EPISODE 1 The Immigration Story of George Sarris. Today, Shelley shares an interview from 1991 with George Sarris. Mr. Sarris was an immigrant from Greece who eventually developed a small empire of seafood restaurants in and around the Birmingham, Alabama, area. He discusses how the Greek community worked together to help each other grow and prosper. Season 7: This is a very special season for us. As we march toward September (Shelley's Birthday), we will be recounting events from his life, how they compare to the events of today, and what we can all learn about what is to come. Listen, learn and share your thoughts with us by responding on this website or on social media. We've got new content for you every Wednesday. Make sure you subscribe! Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 7: EPISODE 20 Charles Gray and the Re-Education of Our Children. This week, Shelley once again shines the light on the importance of education as he shares a recording from 1991 of a speech given by Charles Gray on the Re-Education of our Children. SEASON 7: EPISODE 19 Bubba's Sacrifice, Georgia Price and Voting Rights. As election week finally rolls around, Shelley recalls the ultimate sacrifice that was made by his bother Jerome in Korea. He also talks about Georgia Price and others who, in the late 50s and mid-60s, paved the way for the movement toward equality and human rights in the United States. SEASON 7: EPISODE 18 Shelley Stirs the Pot in the 60s. In this week’s episode, Shelley explains the real meaning behind equality. Plus, he shares some stores from early in his career, including an encounter with the Ku Klux Klan. Stay tuned. SEASON 7: EPISODE 17 Shelley Gets Arrested in Jackson, Mississippi. Today, Shelley continues sharing anecdotes from his life. This week, he tells us about the time he was arrested when he took a job in Jackson, Mississippi. SEASON 7: EPISODE 16 Shelley Builds A Business. In this week’s episode, Shelley recalls how he evolved from his role beyond an on-air personality, developing the key relationships that set the foundation for his future as a businessman. SEASON 7: EPISODE 15 "The Playboy" Fights for Human Rights. This week, Shelley expands on the story of his growing popularity as a radio personality. He fought for equality in access and pay at the radio stations where he worked. And he shares stories about meeting and working with Dr King well before he was well-known. Stay tuned and learn more about Shelley’s ongoing struggle for equality and human rights. SEASON 7: EPISODE 14 The Playboy In His Prime. Shelley's popularity grew in strength and numbers as his fresh style and approach paid off as he began to dominate the airwaves in Birmingham, Alabama, in the mid-1950s. SEASON 7: EPISODE 13 The Birth of Shelley "The Playboy." As we celebrate Shelley’s 90th birthday this week, Shelley shares an episode in his life that marks the birth of Shelley “The Playboy.” It was while he was in the Air Force that Shelley first began to develop his well-known radio persona. Stay tuned. SEASON 7: EPISODE 12 Escape from Mississippi In this week’s episode, Shelley talks about a daring escape where Shelley recused his brothers Sam and Dave from a plantation in Mississippi. SEASON 7: EPISODE 11 A Reunion with Bubba and Some Trouble With A Gun As we continue our march towards Shelley’s 90th birthday, Shelley shares some stories about his first experience with journalism, public speaking and broadcasting. He shares how he ran into some trouble with one of the gangs at high school and how he had a second reunion with his oldest brother, Bubba. SEASON 7: EPISODE 10 Shelley Heads to High School. As we enter September and get closer to Shelley’s 90th birthday celebration, we explore the ironic challenges Shelley faced. He lived with an aunt and uncle who continually tried to discourage him from getting an education. Stay tuned and learn how he persevered. SEASON 7: EPISODE 9 Shelley's Life: Shelley Learns His Name is Shelley. Did you know when Shelley was growing up, he thought his name was Shurley? Stay tuned and learn how Shelley learned his name was Shelley. SEASON 7: EPISODE 8 Shelley's Life: Back with Aunt Mamie. We continue sharing the story of Shelley’s life as we get closer to the celebration of his 90th birthday in September. In this week’s episode, Shelley describes life after he is taken back to his Aunt Mamie and Uncle Henry’s house. SEASON 7: EPISODE 7 1947: The Year Everything Changed for Shelley. So far, we’ve followed Shelley from living on a screened-in porch to living in a horse stable with his brother Bubba and then to the basement of Clyde Smith’s home. In today’s episode, Shelley talks about the year 1947 and how it changed everything. SEASON 7: EPISODE 6 Shelley Learns About Black and White Cultures in the 1940s In this week’s episode, Shelley discusses how there were two curriculums. The one he was taught in the negro school, and the one he shared with Mary Sue Smith, Clyde Smith’s daughter. Even though she was a polio victim she somehow got a hold of books and magazines from the white school and shared them with Shelley. Listen to find out how Shelley learned about both black and white cultures in Birmingham, Alabama in the mid-40s. SEASON 7: EPISODE 5 A Decade at a Time: The Last Words of Mattie C. Stewart Hey, Plumbliners. Yes, we received all your texts and emails telling us that we missed an episode last Wednesday. Thanks for noticing. You’re right. We didn’t publish last Wednesday, but that’s because we held off this week’s episode to release a very special edition of Shelley’s Plumbline. Today is Sunday, August 4, 2024. It is exactly 85 years to the day that Mattie C Stewart passed away. Shelley was just 5 years old when he saw his father murder his mother. Who would have thought in 1939 that 85 years later, Shelley would pay tribute to his mother on a podcast. Mattie C, with love and gratitude, we dedicate this episode to you. SEASON 7: EPISODE 4 A Decade at a Time: Shelley Learns About Life from Clyde Smith In this episode, Shelley continues sharing the profound influence that Clyde Smith had on his life while he was growing up in segregated Birmingham. Mr. Smith, a white man, took Shelley into his home when he was a young child. Mr. Smith taught Shelley some key secrets to life and that to be respected, one had to give respect first. SEASON 7: EPISODE 3 A Decade at a Time: More About the Smith Family In this week’s episode, we continue sharing Shelley’s life story a decade at a time leading up to his 90th birthday. Today, Shelley tells us about his life with the Smith family, how he lived in a basement and continued his studies at Irondale Elementary. SEASON 7: EPISODE 2 A Decade at a Time: Shelley leaves the Stables Today we continue telling Shelley’s life story, one decade at a time. Let’s head out to the back porch and head back to the 1930s and 40s in Birmingham, Alabama and talk about Shelley’s life with the Smith family. SEASON 7: EPISODE 1 A Decade at a Time: Shelley's Life in the 1930s Hello, Plumbliners, and welcome to Season 7 of Shelley’s Plumbline. So Shelley and I looked at the calendar, and we realized that by the time we finish this season, we will be close to Shelley’s 90th birthday. So, in season seven, we will take you to the back porch and take you through Shelley’s life, one decade at a time. Today, we’ll look at Shelley’s life in the 30s. SEASON 7: EPISODE 1 A Decade at a Time: Shelley's Life in the 1930s Hello, Plumbliners, and welcome to Season 7 of Shelley’s Plumbline. So Shelley and I looked at the calendar, and we realized that by the time we finish this season, we will be close to Shelley’s 90th birthday. So, in season seven, we will take you to the back porch and take you through Shelley’s life, one decade at a time. Today, we’ll look at Shelley’s life in the 30s. Season 6: SEASON 6: EPISODE 10 A. H. Parker High School 100th Anniversary Dedication Speech Hey, Plumbliners. In the year 2000, Shelley gave a speech at AH Parker High School in Birmingham, Alabama, on the occasion of the school’s 100th anniversary. This is the very same school that Shelley graduated from. This is the school where Shelley began his career in journalism, broadcasting, and performing. Today we feature a recording of that speech. SEASON 6: EPISODE 9 A meeting with a Grand Knight of the KKK, A Minister of the Nation of Islam and the Executive Director of the National Conference of Christians and Jews In 1993, Shelley hosted the Shelley Stewart Show, Survival in the 90s. It was a talk show on television that ran for 13 episodes. Today, we feature the audio from an extraordinary episode that featured a conversation with three very different people on the same stage. The discussion featured Lamarse Washington, Executive Director of the National Conference of Christians and Jews, William Muhammad, Minister of Nation of Islam and on the other end of the spectrum, William Burchfield, Grand Titan of Alabama for the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. Can you imagine a more diverse group in one place? We believe that you’ll discover the topics between then and today are not that different. But we wonder, could people of such diverse opinions share a stage with civility and respect today? Stay tuned… SEASON 6: EPISODE 8 Back Porch: Race, Racism and Happiness ey, Plumbliners. This is Mark Jamroz, producer of Sheley’s Plumbline. Today, Shelley and I sit down for another edition of the “Back Porch.” Think of it as “Shelley Unplugged” as we discuss a few of our experiences learning about race and racism. Then we touch upon the topic of happiness. Stayed tuned. I think you’re really going to like it. SEASON 6: EPISODE 7 Black Republicans Today, Shelley takes on the tough topic of black participation in politics as he interviews Raynard Jackson. At the time of the interview in 1998, Mr Jackson was Chairman of the Americans for a Brighter Future and an outspoken black Republican. SEASON 6: EPISODE 6 Freeborn Slave: Diary of a Black Man in the South Today, Shelley shares an interview with Birmingham resident Karen Ameen. The interview took place in 1996, shortly after Ms. Ameen published the book Freeborn Slave, Diary of a Black Man in the South. The book is a collection of memoirs dictated by her great-grandfather, Jasper Rastus Nall, an individual who was born at the end of the Civil War. SEASON 6: EPISODE 5 Internalized Racism (Rebroadcast) Hey, Plumbliners... Shelley was feeling a bit under the weather this week, so he asked me to find one of your favorite episodes of Shelley's Plumbline and rebroadcast it. Well, it turns out our very first episode was one of the most popular, and we released it a little over one year ago. Happy Anniversary to us! Please enjoy -- and be informed! This is a powerful episode about Internalized Racism. Enjoy! SEASON 6: EPISODE 4 An Interview with Fred Shuttlesworth. Today, Shelley shares a very special interview from 1991 with the one-and-only Fred Shuttlesworth. Reverend Shuttlesworth co-founded the Southern Christian Leadership Conference and was instrumental in the 1963 Birmingham Campaign with Martin Luther King. Shuttlesworth participated in the sit-ins against segregated lunch counters in 1960 and took part in the organization and execution of the Freedom Rides in 1961. Shuttlesworth invited the SCLC and MLK to Birmingham in 1963 to lead the campaign to desegregate it through mass demonstrations–what Shuttlesworth called "Project C." The "C" stood for "confrontation". In 1965, he was active in the Selma Voting Rights Movement and its march from Selma to Montgomery, which led to the passage of the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 6: EPISODE 3 The Genocide of Black Culture. This week’s episode draws on an interview from 1991 with playwright Edward McRay. He goes deep into the finer points of African culture, history, and the limits of the American educational system. Cultures must share their histories to increase understanding. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 6: EPISODE 2 Excerpts from the Inside Out Documentary. Today we have a very special edition of Shelley’s Plumbline. In 2002, Shelley visited two prisons in Alabama and spoke with inmates about their stories and turned it into the documentary Inside Out. And those stories speak for themselves. They are powerful. They are moving. They are profound. Stay tuned. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 6: EPISODE 1 The Back Porch: Instinct and the Inner Voice. Hello, Plumbliners, and welcome to Season 6 of Shelley’s Plumbline. Shelley and I have been talking about changing the format of the Plumbline for some time, so we thought today we would give that a try. We call this format The Back Porch. Think of it as “Shelley Unplugged.” Today, Shelley and I are going to discuss instinct and the inner voice that guides us through our lives. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . Season 5: Some states are afraid to teach history. We're not. Season 5 will focus on the tough topics some states are afraid to teach. But don't get us wrong. We do it not to threaten, not to scare, but to share. Ignoring our history does not make it go away. When we face the truth, we are all stronger for it. We've got new content for you every Wednesday. Make sure you subscribe! Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 5: EPISODE 10 Your Vote is Your Voice. Are You a Democrat or a Republican? So here we are – another major election is just half a year away. Today’s podcast features a show from 1996. Stay tuned as Shelley explores the questions that remain the same then as they are today: What do you believe? Who do you support? Who will you vote for? Your vote is your voice. If you do not speak, someone else will. SEASON 5: EPISODE 9 An interview with Park Scott on the Bahai Faith. Today, Shelley shares an interview from 1991 with Park Scott, Senior. He discusses the Bahai Faith and how it seeks the oneness of humanity, the elimination of prejudice and a harmony between science and religion. SEASON 5: EPISODE 8 Wake Up, Everybody, Part 2. By popular demand, Shelley and Teddy Pendergrass continue to share the message: Wake Up, Everybody. SEASON 5: EPISODE 7 Wake Up, Everybody. Today, Shelley shares a simple message. Wake up everybody. It’s time to think ahead. Wake Up, Everybody. The time is now. SEASON 5: EPISODE 6 Did Malcolm X Teach Us Something or Are We Doing the Same Thing Now? Today, we share Malcolm X's famous Ballots or Bullets address. The message rings true: The key to freedom lies in economic prosperity. Economic opportunity for all is the tide that will lift all boats. SEASON 5: EPISODE 5 Celebrating Powerful Women Today Shelley celebrates National Women’s Month with some personal reflections on the strong women he has known in his life, from his mother Mattie C whom he saw murdered when he was five years old, to Oprah and Kamala Harris. Stay tuned as we celebrate the power of women. SEASON 5: EPISODE 4a Hate Crimes, Rebroadcast Hey, Plumbliners… Shelley has been in the hospital the past couple of weeks, so he asked me to rebroadcast a previous episode. I looked back in the archives at one of my favorites. It’s from episode 4 of season 1 and it features an interview with attorney Rodney Max discussing Hate Crimes. The original interview was broadcast in 1993, but the message is still very relevant today. And if you’re so inclined send your thoughts and prayers to shelley@shelleysplumbline.com SEASON 5: EPISODE 4 Shelley Reflects on Black History Month and Racism in America As we come to the end of Black History Month, Shelley looks back on the last three episodes and shares his personal insights on the overt and not so overt signs that racism are still evident in America today. Stay tuned as the Plumbline seeks the truth. SEASON 5: EPISODE 4 Shelley Reflects on Black History Month and Racism in America As we come to the end of Black History Month, Shelley looks back on the last three episodes and shares his personal insights on the overt and not so overt signs that racism are still evident in America today. Stay tuned as the Plumbline seeks the truth. SEASON 5: EPISODE 3 Excerpts from "Remembering Slavery." Today we continue telling more stories of Black history, as we share an excerpt from the recording, “Remembering Slavery: African Americans Talk About Their Personal Experiences of Slavery and Emancipation,” published by The New Press, in conjunction with the Library of Congress and the Smithsonian Institution. Stay tuned and you’ll hear the words of actual slaves performed by well-known actors. SEASON 5: EPISODE 2 Early Slave Rebellions. Hey, Plumbliners. Before we begin with this week’s episode, we’d like to thank you for the emails! We received an email from a teacher in Washington state. She says, … My class has been learning about the Children's March recently, and one student asked whatever happened to Shelley the Playboy after watching the documentary "Mighty Times." That led us to some internet research, which led to finding this podcast and website. When we discussed what we value enough to risk getting in trouble to defend it, many kids mentioned both Freedom and Music; it's no wonder they find an activist like Mr. Stewart so appealing.” the teacher added “We wanted to say thank you to Mr. Stewart for his work during The Children's March. I want to say, as an educator of color, how thankful and inspired I am by his work and the way he was able to reach children and support them in their activism. …I plan to let my class know about this podcast and might write to you again if they have questions. I'm excited to learn more about this podcast and the other great work Mr. Stewart has done throughout his life, and I'm grateful to my inquisitive students for giving me the start! Well students in Washington state, Shelley would love to meet with you on a Zoom call sometime. And teacher? Keep up the good work. We love what you’re doing. Another email from EA says… Mr. Stewart, thank you for all you have done throughout the years. As a child I listened to you everyday on the radio. I'm 62 years old now ,and one day I would like to meet you. And JF says This article of Shelley the Playboy brings memories of my youth. I listen to you everyday growing up. I WOULD LOVE TO MEET YOU AND SIT DOWN TO A CUP OF COFFEE. Well, we’ll work on those meetings. In the meantime, the one and only, one-time Shelley "The Playboy" is still on the air on Shelley’s Plumbline. Thank you for your messages and words of support! In this week’s Plumbline features an interview from 1995 with Azikwe Abdullah. Azikwe acknowledges that Nat Turner’s slave rebellion is the one history books talk about, but Azikwe reveals that there were many slave rebellions before that time. Stay tuned as the Plumbline seeks the truth. SEASON 5: EPISODE 1 Horace Huntley and the Dangers of Cultural Annihilation. Here at the beginning of Black History Month, we welcome you to Season 5 of Shelley’s Plumbline. Since it is Black History Month, Shelley and I did some research . According to a recent article in Axios, “…lawmakers in 30 states have proposed new restrictions during the past year on what schools can teach about the nation's racial history…” According to the74million.org ...18 (states) have passed laws restricting or banning the teaching of supposed critical race theory…” So we decided, if these states won’t teach Black History, we will. And let us make one thing clear--we do not do this to stir up anger or hatred, because as Dr. King said, “Hate cannot drive out hate.” We share this message to further understanding among all peoples. Ignoring our history does not make it go away. Appreciating the background of all fosters progress and prosperity for all. There’s your side, there’s my side and some where in the middle, the plumbline finds the truth. Today’s episode re-broadcasts a 1997 interview with Horace Huntley, former professor of Social and Behavioral Sciences at UAB. He touches on the dangers of cultural annihilation and how that has limited the growth of our country. Tune in and learn more. ~ Mark Jamroz Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 4: EPISODE 10 Shelley's Life in Music: Stories About the Godfather of Soul, James Brown. Today we bring Season 4 to an end as we shine the spotlight on the Godfather of Soul, James Brown. James was a controversial character to be sure, but he became good friends with Shelley and always admired Shelley’s belief in the power of education. When James released the song Don’t Be A Dropout, he couldn’t wait to play it for Shelley and Shelley was one of the first to broadcast it on the air. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 4: EPISODE 9 Shelley's Life in Music: Stories About....Guess Who? Since Shelley was a DJ and radio personality, he was instrumental in helping grow the careers of numerous well-known talented singers and musicians. During Season 4 we have covered stories about many of these musical giants who started as business associates of Shelley’s and blossomed into deep friendships. We shared stories about BB King, Sam Cooke, and Johnnie Taylor. In episode 3, we talked about how Ray Charles drove a bus around the block in downtown Birmingham. Then, we heard touching stories about Lou Rawls and Bobby “Blue” Bland. And, of course, Shelley told us about his dear friend, Otis Redding. Today, Shelley brings you more background about an often-overlooked musical talent – but we'll leave that introduction to Shelley. Tune in to find out who today's episode is about. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 4: EPISODE 8 Shelley's Life in Music: "The Big O," Otis Redding. In today’s episode, we continue sharing stories from Shelley’s fascinating life in music as he tells us about his personal and professional relationship with Otis Redding. Otis was a chauffeur for another band when he was discovered during a break at the recording studio in Muscle Shoals. Shelley was fortunate enough to be the first DJ to play Otis’s first recording on the air. Their friendship grew, and Shelley left Radio for a while to become the PR Director for Otis’s Redwal Music Company in Macon, Georgia. Stay tuned and learn more stories about the recording career and personal life of “The Big O,” Otis Redding. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 4: SPECIAL EDITION (REBROADCAST) Hosea Williams: Did the Dream of Dr. King Become a Nightmare? Hey Plumbliners. The theme of Season 4 has been about Shelley’s life in music. But this week, to honor Martin Luther King, Jr.'s birthday, we’re going to rebroadcast our podcast from Season 1 on Hosea Williams . Hosea Williams was a very close friend and associate of Dr King and was instrumental in organizing the Movement. Please enjoy this special episode. Dr. King's legacy inspired generations of activists and leaders, and his contributions continue to be recognized and celebrated today as a beacon of hope and progress. But Dr. King had a premonition about his death, and he warned the members of his inner circle to beware of the tactics external forces would use to break the movement apart after he was gone. As a member of the King's inner circle, Hosea Williams served as the advance man, organizing some of the most important events in the movement. Williams traveled to cities throughout the South, recruiting and organizing volunteers, paving the way for appearances by King, Jesse Jackson, and Andrew Young. Williams and John Lewis led the "Bloody Sunday" march in Selma, Alabama, in 1965. This episode features an interview from September of 1994 with Shelley Stewart and Hosea Williams. Hosea reveals the dire warning King had for the members of his inner circle. Was Hosea Williams right? Did the Dream of Dr. Martin Luther King Become a Nightmare? Listen and let us know what you think. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 4: EPISODE 7 Shelley's Life in Music: Bobby "Blue" Bland. In this week’s episode, we continue exploring Shelley’s friendship with another major blues artist – Bobby “Blue” Bland, or “Blue” as Shelley called him. Like many blues, soul and R&B artists, Shelley traces Blue’s work back to his Gospel roots. In fact, there are hints of those notes in many of his most popular songs. Stay tuned and learn how Blue overcame personal obstacles, including illiteracy, to one day find a home in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 4: EPISODE 6 Shelley's Reflections on Rosa Parks and the Rosa Parks Award. On December 1, 2023, Shelley received the Rosa Parks Day Award for Leadership, Commitment to Civil Rights, Voting Rights, and Civic Service. Rosa Parks Day is December 1st because that was the day, in 1955, when Rosa Parks was arrested for refusing to give up her seat on a segregated bus. In today’s podcast, Shelley reflects on the award and on his own notoriety. Rosa had heard the story of a black boy who had moved the plank dividing the white and black sections of a streetcar. Years later, when Rosa and Shelley met, she learned that Shelley was that young boy. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 4: EPISODE 5 Shelley's Life in Music: Lou Rawls, Did You Pray Today? Today we continue to explore Shelley’s life in the music world as we take a look at Lou Rawls. Lou, like Sam Cooke, was born and raised in the Chicago area and crossed paths with Sam Cooke as they sang in gospel groups before moving into R&B, Jazz, and Soul. Since Shelley was a popular radio personality, he had a hand in promoting the careers of both Sam and Lou and they became fast friends when they met at performances. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 4: EPISODE 4 Shelley's Life in Music: A Slice of Soul Heaven with Johnnie Taylor. Today, Shelley talks about his personal and professional friendship with the Philosopher of Soul, otherwise known as Johnnie Taylor. As the PR director for Redwal Music Company, Shelley had the opportunity to spend time with Johnnie, as well as other music greats on that label, including Otis Redding. We’ll get to Otis in a future podcast. Both Johnnie and Shelley shared a love of spiritual music, and Johnnie eventually had a successful career singing blues, R&B, and soul. Johnnie confessed to Shelley that, in spite of his musical career, he really wanted to be a disc jockey. He became a DJ known as “The Wailer, Johnnie Taylor” on KKDA in Dallas, Texas. Johnnie passed in the year 2000, just a few months after releasing one of his best-known songs, “Soul Heaven.” Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 4: EPISODE 3 Shelley's Life in Music: Unknown Stories About Ray Charles. We continue to explore Shelley’s life in music, as Shelley shares stories about his relationship with Ray Charles. Ray is definitely an icon in the blues world, known for his trademark Ray Ban sunglasses. In fact, it’s generally acknowledged that Ray was the first blind musician to wear sunglasses, setting a trend for future musicians. But Ray will be the first to say he never saw his blindness as a handicap. Many did not know Ray loved to play chess, and he owned his own plane and was fascinated by flying. He was even known to take a turn as a pilot now and then. And in today’s episode, Shelley recalls how Ray drove his own bus around the block in downtown Birmingham on a bet. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 4: EPISODE 2 Shelley's Life in Music: A Conversation About Sam Cooke Today as we continue to explore Shelley’s life in music, we feature a conversation about Sam Cooke, one of Shelley’s dear friends. In fact, Shelley was so close to him that Sam was the godfather to one of his children. Aside from being a very good friend, Sam and Shelley shared the same mission: to use the power of music to bring people together. They both played to integrated audiences at a time when that was not acceptable. In fact, it could be dangerous to do that. Sam was a trailblazer not only with his music but his approach. He believed the artist should own the rights to their music so he was one of the first to write, produce and distribute his own music. Sam’s life ended tragically before his time in 1964 when he was shot at a hotel in Los Angeles. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 4: EPISODE 1 Shelley's Life in Music: Stories About Riley "B.B." King Two of the most popular episodes of Shelley’s Plumbline were Episode 1 of Season 2, "The Final Interview with Eddie Kendricks." A lot of folks also liked Episode 2 of Season 2 … about Shelley’s life scouting for musical talent on the Chitlin' Circuit. So to kick off Season Four, we’re going to give you more stories about Shelley’s life in music – this time with his friend, Riley King – or should we say, BB King. Yup, THE BB King. Stay tuned. Give it a listen. We think you’re going to like it. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . Recently Aired SEASON 3: EPISODE 10 An Open Forum Discussion on William Raspberry, Racism and Economic Power From time to time, Shelley would conduct an open forum during his show, and listeners would call in. Today’s episode features a discussion from 1996 with Shelley and a listener regarding a speech given by William Raspberry, a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist for the Washington Post. The discussion focuses on how racism is often used as an excuse or crutch against progress. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 3: EPISODE 9 Mayor Ford Talks About Redistricting in the 90s. Today, we share an interview with Johnny Ford, the first African-American mayor of Tuskegee, Alabama. He served five terms from 1972 to 1996 when he won a seat in the Alabama House of Representatives. He was re-elected mayor of Tuskegee in 2004, and he served until 2008. This interview touches on the issues of gerrymandering and how it unfairly affects the representation of the population in today's America. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 3: EPISODE 8 SEASON 3: EPISODE 8 Yvonne Willie, Author of The Boy Who Didn't Want to Be Black Yvonne Willie, Author of The Boy Who Didn't Want to Be Black Today’s episode features an interview from 1998 with the author of The Boy Who Didn’t Want to Be Black, Yvonne Willie. She and Shelley discuss the role of racial identity and self-worth, revealing that internalized racism is a learned behavior. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . Today’s episode features an interview from 1998 with the author of The Boy Who Didn’t Want to Be Black, Yvonne Willie. She and Shelley discuss the role of racial identity and self-worth, revealing that internalized racism is a learned behavior. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 3: EPISODE 7 An Interview with Tommy Wrenn, Foot Soldier in the Movement Today we continue our exploration of one of the many organizers in the Movement who had great influence but were not as well-known. This episode features an interview from January of 1998 when Shelley sat down with Tommy Wrenn. Active in the movement in both Birmingham and Selma, Wrenn worked as a field staffer for the Dr King's Southern Christian Leadership Conference. Wrenn would go into towns to set up routes for protest marchers before King would arrive, doing the groundwork to make the event a success. He expresses his frustration at the lack of support he received and how many people believed in the mission of the movement but stayed in the background. Even after retiring as a dental technician, he remained active in politics and the movement until his death in 2010. SEASON 3: EPISODE 6 James Armstrong and His Story of the Integration of Graymont School Today we continue to share little-known stories of the struggle during the early 60s with an interview with James Armstrong. He recounts the many artificial obstacles city officials presented him when he attempted to enroll his children in Graymont School in Birmingham, Alabama, at a time when it was segregated. He prevailed, however, and his sons Floyd and Dwight were the first students to integrate the school. This interview, conducted by Ron January, first aired on Shelley’s program “Open Mic” in 1993. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 3: EPISODE 5 Dr. Vincent Harding Discusses The True Meaning of the Struggle. Today, we feature an interview with author and historian Dr. Vincent Harding. A social activist, he was perhaps best known for his work with and writings about Martin Luther King Jr., whom Harding knew personally. In this episode, Dr Harding sits down with Shelley and talks about not only the Black struggle – but how several different vectors of society then, as now, are engaged in a struggle for freedom. Click An Icon Below To Listen To Shelley's Plumbline Recently Aired SEASON 3: EPISODE 4 Uncovering The Movement: An Interview With Rev. N. H. "Fireball" Smith In this episode, Shelley shares an interview from January 1993 with Rev. Nelson H. Smith, also known as "Fireball" Smith. Smith was another unknown yet highly influential foot soldier in the fight for human rights for all, participating in The Movement before the 1960s and marching side by side with Dr. King during the '60s. Throughout his ministry, Smith preached the importance of higher education, financial management, and economics. He founded the New Pilgrim Credit Union in 1965 and led his church in the development of a bookstore and the New Pilgrim Towers apartments, to name a few of his accomplishments. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 3: EPISODE 3 Shelley's 89th Birthday Celebration! Happy 89th Birthday to Shelley Stewart! Today, we celebrate Shelley's 89th birthday with a recording of a speech Shelley made when he was 63 years old at Friendship Baptist Church . This Church plays a special role in Shelley's life. As a boy of five, he saw his mother murdered just a few blocks away. In spite of growing up without his parents, he would celebrate his graduation in this same Church. Without a doubt, the Friendship Baptist Church has held a special place in Shelley's heart. In today's podcast, he shares a message that he's shared all his life. A message that tells hard truths but also triumphs love, mutual respect, and human rights for ALL people and that faith is the power that enables the unlikely to accomplish the impossible. Today's episode is a heartfelt message from Shelley, one of faith. What we know is if you lose faith, you lose all. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 3: EPISODE 2 Yvonne Turner: A True Human Rights Shero This week, Shelley continues to explore some of the lesser-known yet powerful foot soldiers in the Movement. One such person is Yvonne Turner. Who is Yvonne Turner? Well, well before the Human Rights Movement of the 60s, the true Movement began in the mid-1950s, and people like Yvonne Turner, Georgia Price, and others were instrumental in organizing voter education drives and meetings. Visit shelleysplumbline.com to see one of the voter education documents Yvonne created and shared so Blacks could be prepared to answer questions in order to vote. She was often referred to as the most loved and hated woman in Birmingham because she helped the Movement so much but also spoke to a truth that many would rather not hear. View Season 3 Episode 2 Details & Resources SEASON 3: EPISODE 1 Rare Speeches of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. To kick off Season 3 of Shelley's Plumbline, we went through his archives, and Shelley rediscovered some rare recordings of #MLK that he had forgotten about. These are speeches MLK made in Birmingham! Why are they rare? Because for his protection and to keep Bull Conner guessing, Dr. King would often show up to churches unannounced to make speeches. Shelley Stewart was in attendance recording the choir when Dr. King showed up. They left the recorder running when he made these speeches. You can hear them both in this week's podcast. Very timely given that September 15 is the anniversary of bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church. In Season 3, Shelley sets the record straight on the "Movement" and how only the media and politicians called it the "Civil Rights Movement." It was, and is, a Movement for the freedom of all people. Please listen, and if you are so moved, share it with others. View Season 3 Episode 1 Details & Resources SEASON TWO: EPISODE 10 The Plantation Ghost Today Shelley shares an interview from 1995 with Ezekwa Abdullah. Ezekwa argues that Blacks still repress themselves and suffer a form of psychological slavery in the collective subconscious psyche because attitudes of repression have been preserved and passed from one generation to the next. The ghost of the plantation exists today because not enough has been done to condemn this point of view. SEASON TWO: EPISODE 9 Free By Choice Inmates Share Their Stories Today, Shelley replays an interview from the Free By Choice program, which brought inmates from Alabama prisons on the air to speak openly about their crimes and the decisions which led to them. These Free By Choice inmates had a strong desire to share their stories so their suffering could serve to help others avoid making the same mistakes. 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In 1989, two gang members from the Birmingham area approached Shelley and asked to be on his show, "Open Mic." While the nature of gang life has changed between 1989 and 2023, there are a surprising number of things that are still in common. In fact, you might be surprised to discover the backgrounds of many gang members are not what you think. Youth Gangs & Drug Dealers Series In 1989, two gang members from the Birmingham area approached Shelley and asked to be on his show, "Open Mic." They wanted to share their experiences about the myths and realities of gang life and share their regrets over the youth they lost while acting as members of a gang. Ironically, the mother of one of the gang members heard her son on the show and came in the following morning to share her feelings and warnings with other parents. While the nature of gang life has changed between 1989 and 2023, there are a surprising number of things that are still in common. 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