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Apr 20, 2023 Broadcast Legend Shelley Stewart Launches Podcast, Becoming The Oldest Podcaster In The U.S. At 88 years young, media executive and broadcast legend Dr. Shelley Stewart announces the launch of the podcast, "Shelley's Plumbline ." The show blends fresh commentary from Dr. Stewart with clips from his archive of more than 3,000 shows spanning his 53-year career in radio broadcasting. Stewart hopes the podcast will open channels of communication and understanding while searching for truth on tough social topics. Stewart’s storied career includes spending more than fifty years behind the microphone and over 70 years as a champion of human rights. His career includes time as a radio personality, where he helped the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and other civil rights leaders disseminate key planning information about demonstrations. As a TV talk show host, he openly discusses tough topics with the Grand Wizard of the Klu Klux Klan. He eventually became the owner of the radio station WATV and the advertising agency o2ideas. Stewart also authored two books, The Road South: A Memoir and Mattie C.'s Boy: The Shelley Stewart Story , which retells his life story in vivid detail, following his beginning as a homeless child at seven years of age to his rise to business success. Shelley hopes the podcast will have a tangible impact on communities, the nation, and the world, as it plumbs for the truths in the midst of society’s most challenging problems. "You see, there is this side, that side, and the truth lies somewhere in the middle," said Stewart. After listening to several shows from the archive, Stewart and his production team couldn’t help but notice the irony that 30 to 40 years after their original broadcast date, society still faces similar challenges today. While controversial issues, such as human rights, gender equality, AIDS, youth, and homelessness, remain top world problems, Shelley's Plumbline will acknowledge the similarities and differences between the past and present and lead the audience to thoughtful introspection while providing resources for those interested in pursuing more knowledge and solutions to these challenging issues. But that's not all. "We have interviews with legends, such as Eddie Kendricks, Fred Shuttlesworth, Hosea Williams, and Steve Harvey,” said Dr. Stewart. “Some episodes will share oldies, but goldies hits, and some will even explore comedy," he said. “We want to connect with people and keep our listeners engaged whether we are discussing tough topics or the golden age of Motown." Shelley's Plumbline premieres April 20 on Spotify, Amazon Music and iHeart Radio and will release episodes weekly on Wednesdays. Read More Mar 4, 2023 Unsung Heroes of the Civil Rights Movement Born in the early 1930s in a suburb of Birmingham, Alabama, Shelley Stewart became a major voice in the fight for civil rights. When Stewart was a teenager, his gift for speaking earned him a spot as a radio talk show host, incredibly, for that time in history, at a white-owned station. Yet his popularity continued to grow, landing him gigs as a disc jockey and an emcee for other stations and at popular event venues in the Birmingham area and further afield. Stewart eventually became co-owner of station WATV-AM, and in the 1960s during the height of the civil rights movement, he used his platform and influence to support numerous activists and equal rights causes. Read More Feb 1, 2023 At Age 88, Birmingham Radio Legend Shelley Stewart: ‘I Ain’t Tired Yet It’s an unseasonably warm January morning, and Dr. Shelley Stewart is sitting in his home office in Shelby County, Alabama. At first glance, the space looks like an ordinary room with books on shelves, papers on a desk, and a file cabinet against a wall. But this room holds a wealth of mementos that demonstrate why Stewart is an icon in Birmingham and beyond. Shelley “The Playboy” Stewart was the radio voice for the Birmingham Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s, became co-owner of the city’s WATV-AM, and co-founded o2ideas, an award-winning full-service advertising agency based in the Magic City. To many, Stewart is a Civil Rights Foot Soldier and radio great. But Stewart, who spent his childhood living in basements and barns, doesn’t see himself that way. “I’m that same little homeless street kid even to this day—no more, no less,” said Stewart, 88. Read More Oct 28, 2022 City of Birmingham hosts annual AWAKEN celebration honoring Dr. Shelley Stewart The city of Birmingham will honor civil rights leader, veteran radio broadcaster and advertising executive Dr. Shelley Stewart during its annual “AWAKEN Birmingham” event this Friday. Held during the week of the Magic City Classic, AWAKEN celebrates the legacy of community leaders and activists who have shaped the city of Birmingham. Read More Jul 18, 2022 Winnowed by the Hardships of His Youth, This Top Ad Executive is Now an Advocate for Keeping Kids in Schoollogy can help curb attention disorders Shelley Stewart was 6 years old when he watched his alcoholic father, Huell Jerome Sr., kill his mother, Mattie C., at their Rosedale home in Alabama. This was back in 1939, and there was never an investigation. Shelley ran away shortly after and became homeless. A family took him in to live in their basement, and he remained in school at Rosedale Elementary. Mamie Foster, his first-grade teacher, told him what would turn his life around: “If you learn how to read, you can be anything you want to be.” Shelley did well in school and became a successful radio DJ, hanging out with BB King, Nat King Cole, and Odis Redding. During the ’60s, the outspoken radio star became a target for the KKK. They spray-painted his studio with death threats, but Shelley continued the fight. In 1967, his friend Cy Steiner asked him to partner with him. They started O2ideas, which became one of the leading advertising agencies in the country. Read More Plumbline News Room

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< Back Broadcast Legend Shelley Stewart Launches Podcast, Becoming The Oldest Podcaster In The U.S. Corlette Stewart Apr 20, 2023 At 88 years young, media executive and broadcast legend Dr. Shelley Stewart announces the launch of the podcast, "Shelley's Plumbline ." The show blends fresh commentary from Dr. Stewart with clips from his archive of more than 3,000 shows spanning his 53-year career in radio broadcasting. Stewart hopes the podcast will open channels of communication and understanding while searching for truth on tough social topics. Stewart’s storied career includes spending more than fifty years behind the microphone and over 70 years as a champion of human rights. His career includes time as a radio personality, where he helped the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and other civil rights leaders disseminate key planning information about demonstrations. As a TV talk show host, he openly discusses tough topics with the Grand Wizard of the Klu Klux Klan. He eventually became the owner of the radio station WATV and the advertising agency o2ideas. Stewart also authored two books, The Road South: A Memoir and Mattie C.'s Boy: The Shelley Stewart Story , which retells his life story in vivid detail, following his beginning as a homeless child at seven years of age to his rise to business success. Shelley hopes the podcast will have a tangible impact on communities, the nation, and the world, as it plumbs for the truths in the midst of society’s most challenging problems. "You see, there is this side, that side, and the truth lies somewhere in the middle," said Stewart. After listening to several shows from the archive, Stewart and his production team couldn’t help but notice the irony that 30 to 40 years after their original broadcast date, society still faces similar challenges today. While controversial issues, such as human rights, gender equality, AIDS, youth, and homelessness, remain top world problems, Shelley's Plumbline will acknowledge the similarities and differences between the past and present and lead the audience to thoughtful introspection while providing resources for those interested in pursuing more knowledge and solutions to these challenging issues. But that's not all. "We have interviews with legends, such as Eddie Kendricks, Fred Shuttlesworth, Hosea Williams, and Steve Harvey,” said Dr. Stewart. “Some episodes will share oldies, but goldies hits, and some will even explore comedy," he said. “We want to connect with people and keep our listeners engaged whether we are discussing tough topics or the golden age of Motown." Shelley's Plumbline premieres April 20 on Spotify, Amazon Music and iHeart Radio and will release episodes weekly on Wednesdays. Read More Previous Article Next Article

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Your Next Keynote Speaker Meet Dr. Shelley Stewart Book Dr. Shelley Stewart For Your Next Event INSPIRE. EMPOWER. TRANSFORM Why Book Biography Speaking Topics Past Engagements Why Book Dr. Shelley Stewart Decades of Leadership in business, broadcasting, and philanthropy. Trailblazer in Human Rights , honored for advancing equity and justice. Captivating Speaker known for delivering heart-driven, impactful messages. Trusted Voice featured in documentaries, news programs, and cultural archives. Dr. Shelley Stewart is a celebrated speaker, humanitarian, and visionary leader whose story of resilience, leadership, and commitment to unity has moved audiences across generations. From humble beginnings to national influence, Shelley's life work bridges business, education, human rights, and cultural change, Whether you're hosting a corporate event, educational forum, community gathering, or leadership conference, Dr. Stewart brings timeless wisdom, powerful storytelling, and an unwavering message of hope and transformation. Click "About Shelley" for a more comprehensive biography. Past Engagements Decades of Leadership in business, broadcasting, and philanthropy.Trailblazer in Human Rights, honored for advancing equity and justice.Captivating Speaker known for delivering heart-driven, impactful messages.Trusted Voice featured in documentaries, news programs, and cultural archives. Speaking Topics Include: Resilience and Redemption: Overcoming adversity to lead with purpose. The Power of Unity: Bridging generations, communities, and cultures. Leadership with Integrity: Building organizations that uplift humanity. Voice of Change: Human rights, media, education, the Academy of Common Sense, and the power of storytelling. Business for Good: From entrepreneurship to corporate citizenship. Click An Icon Below To Listen To Podcast

Shelley sat down in 1993 for an interview with Jim Porter, a member of the Board of Directors of the National Rifle Association (NRA). The arguments have not changed for the past 30 years, yet the problem of gun violence persists and, in fact, continues to grow in 2023. Interview with Jim Porter from the NRA Shelley sat down in 1993 for an interview with Jim Porte r, a member of the Board of Directors of the National Rifle Association (NRA). The arguments have not changed for the past 30 years, yet the problem of gun violence persists and, in fact, continues to grow in 2023. Shelley explores the challenges that existed in 1993 and compares them to t oday. Listen to the podcast here: Episode 10: Interview with Jim Porter from the NRA. iCivics Resource Constitution Explained: To Keep and Bear Arms Dive Deeper Council of Foreign Relations U.S. Gun Policy: Global Comparisons June 10, 2022 More Americans died of gun-related injuries in 2021 than in any other year on record, according to the latest available statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). That included record numbers of both gun murders and gun suicides. Despite the increase in such fatalities, the rate of gun deaths – a statistic that accounts for the nation’s growing population – remained below the levels of earlier decades. Read More NPR How AR-15-style rifles write the tragic history of America's mass shootings March 10, 2023 The weapon used to carry out the mass shooting at an outlet shopping mall in Allen, Texas, on Saturday that left eight people dead and seven others injured is one all too familiar to Americans and lawmakers who have witnessed mass shootings occur again and again. Mauricio Garcia, 33, was seen on dashcam video opening fire with an AR-15-style rifle. Garcia was carrying three weapons with him and had five more in his car — all legally obtained, according to Hank Sibley, regional director with the Texas Department of Public Safety. The AR-15 has a long history in mass shootings in the U.S. The White House FACT SHEET: President Biden Announces New Actions to Reduce Gun Violence and Make Our Communities Safer March 14, 2023 Today, in Monterey Park, California, President Biden will announce an Executive Order with the goal of increasing the number of background checks conducted before firearm sales, moving the U.S. as close to universal background checks as possible without additional legislation. The Executive Order will also keep more guns out of dangerous hands by increasing the effective use of “red flag” laws, strengthen efforts to hold the gun industry accountable, and accelerate law enforcement efforts to identify and apprehend the shooters menacing our communities. President Biden is also encouraging the Federal Trade Commission to issue a public report analyzing how gun manufacturers market firearms to minors. Read More Pew Research Center What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S . April 26, 2023 More Americans died of gun-related injuries in 2021 than in any other year on record, according to the latest available statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). That included record numbers of both gun murders and gun suicides. Despite the increase in such fatalities, the rate of gun deaths – a statistic that accounts for the nation’s growing population – remained below the levels of earlier decades. Read More Read More BBC How many US mass shootings have there been in 2023? May 26, 2023 Gun violence is a fixture in American life - but the issue is a highly political one, pitting gun control advocates against people who are fiercely protective of their right to bear arms. We've looked into some of the numbers behind firearms in the US. . Read More Advocacy Organizations Gun Rights Advocacy Organizations National Rifle Association (NRA) The National Rifle Association seeks to educate the public about firearms, defend US citizens' second amendment rights, and lobbies for gun rights legislation. Gun Owners of America Gun Owners of America (GOA) is a non-profit lobbying organization formed in 1975 to preserve and defend the Second Amendment rights of gun owners. Second Amendment Foundation The Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) is dedicated to promoting the right of U.S. citizens to privately own and possess firearms. They carry on many educational and legal action programs designed to inform the public about the gun control debate. Gun Control Advocacy Organizations Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence The Brady Campaign works to pass and enforce federal and state gun laws, regulations, and public policies through grassroots activism, electing public officials who support gun control legislation, and increasing public awareness of gun violence. Everytown for Gun Safety An umbrella organization coordinating the activities of Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America and Mayors against Illegal Guns. Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America Important grassroots activist organization formed by stay-at-home mom Shannon Watts following the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in December 2012. Mayors Against Illegal Guns Mayors Against Illegal Guns is a coalition of over 1000 current and former mayors across the country who have joined together to prevent criminals from possessing guns illegally. Third Way Third Way is a think tank that seeks to advance public policy. Their agenda includes tighter gun safety laws.

Season 6: SEASON 6: EPISODE 1 The Back Porch: Instinct and the Inner Voice SEASON 6: EPISODE 2 Excerpts from the Inside Out Documentary SEASON 6: EPISODE 3 The Genocide of Black Culture. SEASON 6: EPISODE 4 An Interview with Fred Shuttlesworth. SEASON 6: EPISODE 5 Internalized Racism [Rebroadcast] SEASON 6: EPISODE 6 Freeborn Slave: Diary of a Black Man in the South. SEASON 6: EPISODE 7 Black Republicans. SEASON 6: EPISODE 8 Back Porch: Race, Racism and Happiness. SEASON 6: EPISODE 9 A meeting with a Grand Knight of the KKK, A Minister of the Nation of Islam and the Executive Director of the National Conference of Christians and Jews. SEASON 6: EPISODE 10 A. H. Parker High School 100th Anniversary Dedication Speech. Click An Icon Below To Listen To Shelley's Plumbline Learn More Book For Speaking Engagements

Season 3: Episode 2 Yvonne Turner: A True Human Rights Shero Image: https://www.wvtm13.com/article/civil-rights-foot-soldier-yvonne-turner-dies/3833126 Click An Icon Below To Listen To Shelley's Plumbline Podcast Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . A Chapter in U.S. History That's Untold Names To Know From The Movement Of The 1950s And 1960s James Armstrongs Rev. Charles Billups REV. Ed Gardner Rev. C. H. George Colonel Johnson Gloria Lassiter Lilly Nesbitt Tall Paul Georgia Price Rev. George Pruitt, Sr. Rose Sanders Shelley Stewart Rev. Fred Shuttlesworth Rev. Herman Stone Yvonne Turner "The Movement started before the 1960s and has always been a fight for human rights for all. We did say that we would commit civil disobedience as we fight for human rights. It became "the civil rights movement" once politicians got involved. We are still fighting for human rights today." - Dr. Shelley Stewart Click to Listen to Hosea Williams During Shelley's Plumbline Season 1 Episode 2 Read Now Upload

Internalized racism refers to the subtle yet pervasive ways in which individuals from marginalized racial or ethnic groups internalize negative societal messages about their own race or ethnicity. It can manifest in self-hatred, low self-esteem, and a distorted self-perception. ​ In this episode of Shelley's Plumbline, Dr. Shelley Stewart discusses the pervasive problem of internalized racism with Brother Ezekweh. Episode #1: Internalized Racism Internalized racism refers to the subtle yet pervasive ways in which individuals from marginalized racial or ethnic groups internalize negative societal messages about their own race or ethnicity. It can manifest in self-hatred, low self-esteem, and a distorted self-perception. Internalized racism can also result in individuals adopting harmful stereotypes and beliefs about their own racial group, leading to self-limiting behaviors and perpetuating systemic racism. Overcoming internalized racism requires self-awareness, education, and conscious efforts to challenge and reject negative societal messages, and embrace positive aspects of one's cultural heritage. It is a complex and ongoing process that necessitates collective efforts to combat racism at both individual and societal levels. This episode of Shelley's Plumbline discusses the pervasive problem of internalized racism with Brother Ezekweh. View Episode 1 Details & Resources Click An Icon Below To Listen To Podcast Dive Deeper PBS THAT GOT WEIRD: A True Story of Internalized Racism Episode 3 Jo points out that racism and microaggressions don’t always come from white people – internalized racism is real and harmful. Whether within her own community or in inner-city youth, Jo talks about her opinions and experiences with internalized racism, the way we process racism, and how to be better than our mistakes. Watch Video Racial Equity Tools Internalized Racism Donna Bivens provides this definition of internalized racism in her chapter from Flipping the Script: White Privilege and Community Building on “What Is Internalized Racism? ”: “As people of color are victimized by racism, we internalize it. That is, we develop ideas, beliefs, actions and behaviors that support or collude with racism. This internalized racism has its own systemic reality and its own negative consequences in the lives and communities of people of color. More than just a consequence of racism, then, internalized racism is a systemic oppression in reaction to racism that has a life of its own. In other words, just as there is a system in place that reinforces the power and expands the privilege of white people, there is a system in place that actively d [...] Explore Racial Equity Tools SAGE Journals The Associations Between Internalized Racism, Racial Identity, and Psychological Distress Internalized racism, or the acceptance of negative stereotypes about one’s own racial group, is associated with psychological distress; yet, few studies have explored the longitudinal impact of internalized racism on the psychological well-being of African American emerging adults. Furthermore, racial identity’s role as a protective factor in the context of internalized racism remains unclear. This study examined the longitudinal impact of internalized racism on psychological distress ... Read Research Ted Talk Black Self, White World: Lessons on internalized racism | Jabari Lyles | TEDxTysonsSalon Community leader, activist and educator Jabari Lyles discusses his personal journey to understanding and loving himself as a black man, in spite of growing up among a predominantly white community. Jabari Lyles is an educator, nonprofit leader and community leader in Baltimore, Maryland. His work focuses on positive outcomes for youth and the LGBTQ community, especially LGBTQ youth of color. He is currently Director of the Maryland chapter of GLSEN, the leading national organization championing LGBTQ issues in K-12 schools. This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at https://www.ted.com/tedx Listen Now

Season 13: SEASON 13: EPISODE 3 A Review of Our Favorite Plumblines of 2025 Join Shelley's Plumbline for this powerful year-end recap, reflecting on the most impactful conversations of 2025, a year marked by the addition of co-host Dr. Ricky Jones. Jones’s arrival brought a new voice of depth and truth that resonated profoundly with listeners. The year’s second most downloaded episode, "Finding My Father," featured the emotional and deeply personal story that revealed Dr. Shelley Stewart is the father of Dr. Ricky Jones, a testament to the podcast's commitment to honesty and personal connection. The discussions this year consistently moved beyond surface-level answers to confront tough questions about our culture and history. The podcast tackled the unfulfilled dream of Martin Luther King. The episode “Racism Today” became the most downloaded of the year, examining how old policies are simply being “re-enacted” through new "code words" like the attack on DEI. The year also featured vital insights from guests like Marlon Keller on the importance of fatherhood, artist Erica Chisholm on using creativity to "speak truth to power," and Elijah Davis on sharing generational knowledge. The episode honors the unsung heroes of history and celebrates a broadcasting giant. Gloria Laster, the sister of Claudette Colvin, offered a critical correction to the historical narrative, clarifying that her sister was not pregnant at the time of her famous bus protest. Finally, the year culminated with the well-deserved induction of Dr. Shelley Stewart into the Radio Hall of Fame, a milestone affirming his six-decade-plus career as an entertainer and an on-air voice of the Civil Rights movement across the Southeast. Looking ahead to 2026, we will stay curious, listen with empathy, speak with courage, and continue the journey to find the line that leads to the truth. SEASON 13: EPISODE 2 Racism Today (Rebroadcast) Hello, Plumbliners! Shelley, Mark and Ricky are going to take a break going into the holiday season. So today, we (re)present the most downloaded Plumbline episode of 2025, titled "Racism Today." In this episode, Shelley, Mark and Ricky Jones launch into a powerful discussion on the enduring struggle against racism, arguing that while overt segregation is gone, it has transformed, with terms like DEI serving as "code words" for veiled racist policies. They explore the historical context of white supremacy, citing Abraham Lincoln's views on racial inequality, and stress the urgent need for continued, honest conversation about justice. The episode also covers modern dangers to society like greed and anti-intellectualism, and examines intra-racial dynamics and miseducation within the Black community. Listen, lear,n and share your thoughts. SEASON 13: EPISODE 1 Whatever Happened to Rosa Parks? Today, Shelley and Ricky focus their discussion on the ongoing disregard for both Claudette Colvin and Rosa Parks after the bus boycott, noting Parks' financial struggles and the general minimization of women's contributions by male movement leaders. Shelley and Ricky share a broader contemporary critique, lamenting the societal decline in critical thinking and sacrifice, and analyzing how modern oppressive systems have adapted to be less overt but more dangerous. The Plumbline concludes by encouraging listeners to reflect on the history of Colvin and Parks to assess the current status of the Black community and the importance of thought and communication. Season 12: SEASON 12: EPISODE 10 Some Truths About Claudette Colvin and Rosa Parks. This episode of Shelley's Plumline, explores the 70th anniversary of the Montgomery Bus Boycott with special guest Gloria Laster, the older sister of Claudette Colvin. The discussion centers on the overlooked role of Colvin, the 15-year-old arrested nine months before Rosa Parks for the same act of defiance. Laster recounts how Colvin was a plaintiff in the successful Browder v. Gale Supreme Court case that desegregated transportation but was intentionally excluded from the movement's public narrative. The conversation details the factors that led organizers, including the NAACP, to choose Rosa Parks as the movement's face. Unlike Colvin, Parks' adult status and "respectable" image were considered more palatable, while Colvin was sidelined due to her youth, dark skin tone, poor family background, and rumors of pregnancy (later clarified as having occurred after her arrest). The episode stresses that the initial idea for the bus boycott was driven by women whose efforts were later minimized when male leaders, including Martin Luther King, took over. Shelley and Ricky Jones reflect on the ultimate disregard shown to many women of the movement, including Colvin and other plaintiffs like Mary Louise Smith and Aurelia Browder. They discuss how both Colvin and Rosa Parks were poorly treated by the male-dominated leadership, with Parks ultimately dying poor while their male counterparts gained prestigious positions. The episode sets the stage for a promised follow-up program, "Whatever Happened to Rosa Parks," to shed light on her struggles in the years after the Civil Rights Act. SEASON 12: EPISODE 9 Shelley's Role in the Children's March. In this episode, Shelley and Ricky discuss the key role that Shelley played in the Children's March. The scene is Birmingham, Alabama, April and May of 1963. Martin Luther King Jr.’s advisors had deliberately chosen the city to confront the notoriously violent Police Commissioner, Bull Connor. Shelley recounts advising King to leave the pulpit and engage directly with the people on the street, which helped build community support. The planning for the march was highly secretive, with Shelley devising a strategy to communicate with children across schools, by playing Joe Turner’s record, “Shake, Rattle and Roll" during Shelley's radio show. He would follow up the song by saying there's going to be a “picnic in the park,” as the signal for the children to gather. The execution of the March quickly escalated into a national crisis. On May 2, 1963, the first day of the march, over 600 children were arrested. On the second day, Bull Connor’s decision to use fire hoses and police dogs against more than 1,000 children provoked an overwhelming response from the parents, who then joined the movement. Shelley shares that Bull Connor was entirely overwhelmed, leading to the situation being “too far gone,” which ultimately prompted the intervention of President John F. Kennedy. The group emphasized the importance of preserving this history, particularly the role of the "foot soldiers" who are often forgotten in the crusade for human rights. SEASON 12: EPISODE 8 Shelley's Encounters with the KKK In this episode, Shelley recounts his conflicts with the Ku Klux Klan in Birmingham in the 1950s, intensified by his refusal to adhere to segregated customs in local stores. Shelley reveals that many Klan members were police officers and local business owners. His activism escalated on his WEDR radio show, where he publicly discussed the segregated city, education, and incidents of violence and bombing that major white papers omitted. This defiance resulted in death threats from the Klan and pressure on the station owner. Encounters included the KKK painting graffiti on the radio station in 1958 and a confrontation at an integrated dance club in 1960. SEASON 12: EPISODE 7 Shelley's Early Days in Radio SEASON 12: EPISODE 6 Shelley "The Playboy" Enters the Radio Hall of Fame SEASON 12: EPISODE 5 If We Knew Better, Part 2 SEASON 12: EPISODE 4 If We Knew Better, Part 1 SEASON 12: EPISODE 3 Miseducation Continues SEASON 12: EPISODE 2 Racism Today. SEASON 12: EPISODE 1 Hosea Revisited. Season 11: SEASON 11: EPISODE 10 Shelley's 91st Birthday SEASON 11: EPISODE 9 What has Happened to Black Media? SEASON 11: EPISODE 8 Is Our Progress Going Backwards? SEASON 11: EPISODE 7 Education Lifts All Ships SEASON 11: EPISODE 6 Is DEI Dead? Is Education Undervalued? In this powerful conversation, 91-year-old icon Dr. Shelley Stewart teams up again with his son, Dr. Ricky Jones, to expose what’s really happening in education today—from the attacks on DEI to the erasure of Black educators. This isn’t just a podcast. It’s a multigenerational truth-telling session between strength and wisdom—between a father and son who refuse to stay silent. SEASON 11: EPISODE 5 Is Ignorance Destroying (the) US? In Episode 5 of Season 11, Shelley’s Plumbline delivers a masterclass on hard truths. From the myth of post-racial progress to the silencing of Black educators, Dr. Shelley Stewart and Dr. Ricky Jones ask: 🔥 Why are we still teaching justice to those in power? 🔥 What’s the cost of Black people always being “the lesson” in white institutions? 🔥 How do we reclaim our schools, our minds, our futures? Dr. Stewart: “I’m not giving up.” Dr. Jones: “Some places are a lost cause. We need to stop wasting time begging and start building.” 🧠 This isn’t just dialogue—it’s documentation. 🎙 Catch the conversation that refuses to stay silent. SEASON 11: EPISODE 4 Are We Afraid to Dream? This week, Shelley chats once again with Dr. Ricky Jones, Professor of Pan-African Studies at the University of Louisville. Dr. Jones highlights W.E.B. Du Bois's views on broad educational access for African Americans and critiques the negative impact of integration on Black education. Shelley and Dr. Jones explore the historical context of Black education and media, the loss of community control, and the challenges within predominantly white institutions. The discussion also touched upon the "Yankelovich report" and "strategic concealment," the "black tax" and dreaming beyond employment, and the persistent challenges of racism in America. Shelley and Dr Jones highlight the importance of economic responsibility and education within the Black community, discussing challenges in business and community development, and debating the feasibility of achieving systemic change versus individual successes. SEASON 11: EPISODE 3 Education Can Happen Anywhere What’s education got to do with it? Everything. But in a system built to hold us back, education isn’t even the top concern—discrimination is. In this bold and necessary conversation, Dr. Stewart sits down with Attorney Tom Larkin to unpack the roots of educational inequality, the legacy of slavery, and the power of putting fat in the game. Listen to this episode of Shelley’s Plumbline—where truth, love, and agitation meet. Featuring: Attorney Tom Larkin SEASON 11: EPISODE 2 From Projects to PhD: An Interview with Ricky Jones on the Importance of Education. (Rebroadcast) “People who are in control of the country because of racial stratification want to stay in control by keeping people stupid about the country’s history.” — Dr. Ricky Jones In this compelling episode of Shelley’s Plumbline, Dr. Jones calls out the deliberate silence around slavery and America’s original sins — the genocide of Native Americans and the enslavement of Black people. He and Dr. Stewart ask the hard questions: Why are so many still afraid to confront this history? And what is the cost of pretending it didn’t happen? Truth-telling isn’t just uncomfortable — it’s revolutionary. SEASON 11: EPISODE 1 Finding My Father This week on Shelley’s Plumbline… a revelation that changes everything. Dr. Ricky Jones has spent his life speaking truth to power. But in this episode, he shares a truth of his own—one that’s raw, personal, and decades in the making. For the first time publicly, Ricky reveals the identity of his father. That man… is Dr. Shelley Stewart. Yes—our Shelley. Human Rights icon. Radio legend. And the father Ricky never knew. What happens when two men—strangers by circumstance, bound by blood—sit face-to-face for the first time? You’ll want to hear this. The letter Ricky shared with our very own, Dr. Shelley Stewart, over 20 years ago. Season 10: SEASON 10: EPISODE 10 From Projects to PhD: An Interview with Ricky Jones on the Importance of Education. SEASON 10: EPISODE 9 Don't Be A Home for Hatred SEASON 10: EPISODE 8 Welcome Shelley Stewart to the Radio Hall of Fame! SEASON 10: EPISODE 7 Sharing Generational Knowledge with Elijah Davis SEASON 10: EPISODE 6 Young, Gifted and Black. A Chat with Artist Erica Chisholm SEASON 10: EPISODE 5 The Unknown Community of Calcis, Alabama SEASON 10: EPISODE 4 Discussing Fatherhood with Marlon Keller SEASON 10: EPISODE 3 Still Singing the Blues SEASON 10: EPISODE 2 There's a Leak in the Roof SEASON 10: EPISODE 1 Education is Our Greatest Asset Season 9: SEASON 9: EPISODE 10 Another Look At Hosea Williams Dr. King's legacy inspired generations of activists and leaders, and his contributions continue to be recognized and celebrated today as a beacon of hope and progress. But Dr. King had a premonition about his death, and he warned the members of his inner circle to beware of the tactics external forces would use to break the movement apart after he was gone. In today's episode, Shelley takes another look at his interview with Hosea Williams . As a member of the King's inner circle, Hosea Williams served as the advance man, organizing some of the most important events in the movement. Williams traveled to cities throughout the South, recruiting and organizing volunteers, paving the way for appearances by King, Jesse Jackson, and Andrew Young. Williams and John Lewis led the "Bloody Sunday" march in Selma, Alabama, in 1965. This episode features an interview from September of 1994 with Shelley Stewart and Hosea Williams. Hosea reveals the dire warning King had for the members of his inner circle. Was Hosea Williams right? Did the Dream of Dr. Martin Luther King Become a Nightmare? Listen and let us know what you think. SEASON 9: EPISODE 9 Happy Heavenly Birthday to Sam Stewart April 29 is a special day in Shelley's life. It is the birthday of his younger brother, Sam. Join us as Shelley shares an interview from 1994 with his brother Sam, just two weeks before his passing. SEASON 9: EPISODE 8 Respect for All SEASON 9: EPISODE 7 Responsibility in the Modern Age SEASON 9: EPISODE 6 Old Sayings That Still Have Meaning SEASON 9: EPISODE 5 A Meeting Is Not A Movement SEASON 9: EPISODE 4 Make America Greater SEASON 9: EPISODE 3 The Importance of Education SEASON 9: EPISODE 2 A Reunion with the Son of Mr Clyde Hey Plumbliners, we’ve often talked about Mr Clyde – the man who took Shelley in when he was living in Stringfellows Stable. Well, a few weeks ago Shelley had a reunion with Mr Clyde’s son. Stay tuned and we’ll tell you all about it. SEASON 9: EPISODE 1 Shelley's Back! Hey Plumbliners. Welcome to Season 9 of the Plumbline. Let’s take a walk about to the back porch and hear some of Shelley’s reflections on his 90 years of life. Get ready, Shelley is back! Season 8: SEASON 8: EPISODE 14 Should We End Black History Month? (Rebroadcast) Black History Month has been celebrated for decades as a time to honor and recognize the contributions and achievements of Black individuals throughout history. However, some argue that relegating Black history to a single month perpetuates segregation and fails to fully integrate it into the mainstream curriculum. Ending Black History Month could be beneficial, as it would emphasize that Black history is an integral part of American history that should be incorporated into educational curricula throughout the year. Today, we rebroadcast a podcast we first released in April of 2023. The podcast features an interview with Dr. Horace Huntley in February 1991 and suggests that by ending Black History Month, we might celebrate Black culture and history throughout the year. SEASON 8: EPISODE 13 The Back Porch: Race, Racism and Happiness (Rebroadcast) Hey Plumbliners, This week, we rebroadcast an episode we first released in June 2024. Shelley and I shared our experiences learning about race and racism. Then, we touched upon the topic of happiness. Stayed tuned. It's worth another listen. SEASON 8: EPISODE 11 Shelley Reflects on Black History Month and Racism (Rebroadcast) Today, we re-share an episode from 2023. Shelley shares his personal insights on the overt and not-so-overt signs that racism is still evident in America today. Stay tuned as the plumbline seeks the truth. SEASON 8: EPISODE 10 Hate Crimes (Rebroadcast) Hey Plumbliners. This is Mark Jamroz, producer of Shelley’s Plumbline. Just a few days ago, on January 27th, Shelley and I celebrated what would have been the 93rd birthday of his brother Jerome, affectionally known as Bubba. To continue that celebration, we’re going to rebroadcast one of the Plumbline’s most popular podcasts. It’s about Hate Crimes, featuring Rodney Max. It seems this message is as important today as it ever has been. Stay tuned, and Happy Heavenly Birthday to Jerome Stewart. SEASON 8: EPISODE 9 Rare Speeches of Dr. Martin Luther King (Rebroadcast) As we continue the retrospective of Shelley's Plumbline, and in honor of Martin Luther King Jr Day, we are rebroadcasting an episode from Season 3. They feature some rare recordings of #MLK that Shelley had forgotten about. These are speeches MLK made in Birmingham! Why are they rare? Because for his protection and to keep Bull Conner guessing, Dr. King would often show up to churches unannounced to make speeches. Shelley Stewart was in attendance recording the choir when Dr. King showed up. They left the recorder running when he made these speeches. You can hear them both in this week's podcast. Very timely given that September 15 is the anniversary of bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church. In Season 3, Shelley sets the record straight on the "Movement" and how only the media called it the "Civil Rights Movement." It was, and is, a Movement for the freedom of all people. Please listen, and if you are so moved, share it with others. #civilrightsmovement #shelleysplumbline #humanrights SEASON 8: EPISODE 8 Interview with Hosea Williams: Did the Dream of Dr King Become a Nightmare? (Rebroadcast) Dr. King's legacy inspired generations of activists and leaders, and his contributions continue to be recognized and celebrated today as a beacon of hope and progress. But Dr. King had a premonition about his death, and he warned the members of his inner circle to beware of the tactics external forces would use to break the movement apart after he was gone. As a member of the King's inner circle, Hosea Williams served as the advance man, organizing some of the most important events in the movement. Williams traveled to cities throughout the South, recruiting and organizing volunteers, paving the way for appearances by King, Jesse Jackson, and Andrew Young. Williams and John Lewis led the "Bloody Sunday" march in Selma, Alabama, in 1965. This episode features an interview from September of 1994 with Shelley Stewart and Hosea Williams. Hosea reveals the dire warning King had for the members of his inner circle. Was Hosea Williams right? Did the Dream of Dr. Martin Luther King Become a Nightmare? Listen and let us know what you think. SEASON 8: EPISODE 7 Internalized Racism (Rebroadcast) Hey, Plumbliners. As we rewind through some of our most popular podcasts, we couldn’t overlook our very first. It was published on April 17, 2023. And it’s about Internalized Racism. Take a listen. SEASON 8: EPISODE 6 Rebroadcast of The Last Interview with Eddie Kendricks Happy New Year, Plumbliners! Welcome to the year 2025! We are planning for great things in this new year, but before we get started, we wanted to look back. So, for the next few weeks, we will be rebroadcasting some of YOUR favorite Plumblines. To date, we have published 87 podcasts. While most of our fans are in the US, Shelley’s Plumbline has a global reach with downloads in Singapore, Asia, Europe, and Africa. When it comes to subject matter, some of our most popular podcasts have been about Internalized Racism, Hate Crimes, the interview with Hosea Williams, The Rare Speeches of Dr King, and the stories of Shelley’s life in music and the Chitlin' Circuit. So today, to kick off the New Year in style, we’re going to rebroadcast the episode of The Last Interview with Eddie Kendricks, the lead singer for The Temptations. SEASON 8: EPISODE 5 "The Colored Doctor," Dr Cashen In this episode, we continue our conversation from last week, when Shelley and Ezekwa discuss the effects of the Willie Lynch letter with Dr Cashen, a one-time candidate for governor of Alabama on the independent ticket. SEASON 8: EPISODE 4 Ezekwa Abdullah Discusses Willie Lynch in the Late 90s Today we pick up on the theme of the Willie Lynch letter, but in a different time and place. Stay tuned as we hear an interview from 1997 with Ezekwa Abdullah. SEASON 8: EPISODE 3 The Legend of Willie Lynch. Whether the Willie Lynch letter is real or not, the content of the message remains very much intact today. Seeding division among an audience is a way to get them fighting amongst themselves, which makes them easier to control from the outside. Today, Shelley takes a look at the continuing impact of that strategy on the world. SEASON 8: EPISODE 2 George Subira: Teaching Black People to Sell. Today, Shelley continues his search for the truth on the topic of selling. It is often an occupation that is looked on with disdain, yet nothing can happen without it. Whether it’s an idea or a product, we are all selling something. SEASON 8: EPISODE 1 The Immigration Story of George Sarris. Today, Shelley shares an interview from 1991 with George Sarris. Mr. Sarris was an immigrant from Greece who eventually developed a small empire of seafood restaurants in and around the Birmingham, Alabama, area. He discusses how the Greek community worked together to help each other grow and prosper. Season 7: This is a very special season for us. As we march toward September (Shelley's Birthday), we will be recounting events from his life, how they compare to the events of today, and what we can all learn about what is to come. Listen, learn and share your thoughts with us by responding on this website or on social media. We've got new content for you every Wednesday. Make sure you subscribe! Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 7: EPISODE 20 Charles Gray and the Re-Education of Our Children. This week, Shelley once again shines the light on the importance of education as he shares a recording from 1991 of a speech given by Charles Gray on the Re-Education of our Children. SEASON 7: EPISODE 19 Bubba's Sacrifice, Georgia Price and Voting Rights. As election week finally rolls around, Shelley recalls the ultimate sacrifice that was made by his bother Jerome in Korea. He also talks about Georgia Price and others who, in the late 50s and mid-60s, paved the way for the movement toward equality and human rights in the United States. SEASON 7: EPISODE 18 Shelley Stirs the Pot in the 60s. In this week’s episode, Shelley explains the real meaning behind equality. Plus, he shares some stores from early in his career, including an encounter with the Ku Klux Klan. Stay tuned. SEASON 7: EPISODE 17 Shelley Gets Arrested in Jackson, Mississippi. Today, Shelley continues sharing anecdotes from his life. This week, he tells us about the time he was arrested when he took a job in Jackson, Mississippi. SEASON 7: EPISODE 16 Shelley Builds A Business. In this week’s episode, Shelley recalls how he evolved from his role beyond an on-air personality, developing the key relationships that set the foundation for his future as a businessman. SEASON 7: EPISODE 15 "The Playboy" Fights for Human Rights. This week, Shelley expands on the story of his growing popularity as a radio personality. He fought for equality in access and pay at the radio stations where he worked. And he shares stories about meeting and working with Dr King well before he was well-known. Stay tuned and learn more about Shelley’s ongoing struggle for equality and human rights. SEASON 7: EPISODE 14 The Playboy In His Prime. Shelley's popularity grew in strength and numbers as his fresh style and approach paid off as he began to dominate the airwaves in Birmingham, Alabama, in the mid-1950s. SEASON 7: EPISODE 13 The Birth of Shelley "The Playboy." As we celebrate Shelley’s 90th birthday this week, Shelley shares an episode in his life that marks the birth of Shelley “The Playboy.” It was while he was in the Air Force that Shelley first began to develop his well-known radio persona. Stay tuned. SEASON 7: EPISODE 12 Escape from Mississippi In this week’s episode, Shelley talks about a daring escape where Shelley recused his brothers Sam and Dave from a plantation in Mississippi. SEASON 7: EPISODE 11 A Reunion with Bubba and Some Trouble With A Gun As we continue our march towards Shelley’s 90th birthday, Shelley shares some stories about his first experience with journalism, public speaking and broadcasting. He shares how he ran into some trouble with one of the gangs at high school and how he had a second reunion with his oldest brother, Bubba. SEASON 7: EPISODE 10 Shelley Heads to High School. As we enter September and get closer to Shelley’s 90th birthday celebration, we explore the ironic challenges Shelley faced. He lived with an aunt and uncle who continually tried to discourage him from getting an education. Stay tuned and learn how he persevered. SEASON 7: EPISODE 9 Shelley's Life: Shelley Learns His Name is Shelley. Did you know when Shelley was growing up, he thought his name was Shurley? Stay tuned and learn how Shelley learned his name was Shelley. SEASON 7: EPISODE 8 Shelley's Life: Back with Aunt Mamie. We continue sharing the story of Shelley’s life as we get closer to the celebration of his 90th birthday in September. In this week’s episode, Shelley describes life after he is taken back to his Aunt Mamie and Uncle Henry’s house. SEASON 7: EPISODE 7 1947: The Year Everything Changed for Shelley. So far, we’ve followed Shelley from living on a screened-in porch to living in a horse stable with his brother Bubba and then to the basement of Clyde Smith’s home. In today’s episode, Shelley talks about the year 1947 and how it changed everything. SEASON 7: EPISODE 6 Shelley Learns About Black and White Cultures in the 1940s In this week’s episode, Shelley discusses how there were two curriculums. The one he was taught in the negro school, and the one he shared with Mary Sue Smith, Clyde Smith’s daughter. Even though she was a polio victim she somehow got a hold of books and magazines from the white school and shared them with Shelley. Listen to find out how Shelley learned about both black and white cultures in Birmingham, Alabama in the mid-40s. SEASON 7: EPISODE 5 A Decade at a Time: The Last Words of Mattie C. Stewart Hey, Plumbliners. Yes, we received all your texts and emails telling us that we missed an episode last Wednesday. Thanks for noticing. You’re right. We didn’t publish last Wednesday, but that’s because we held off this week’s episode to release a very special edition of Shelley’s Plumbline. Today is Sunday, August 4, 2024. It is exactly 85 years to the day that Mattie C Stewart passed away. Shelley was just 5 years old when he saw his father murder his mother. Who would have thought in 1939 that 85 years later, Shelley would pay tribute to his mother on a podcast. Mattie C, with love and gratitude, we dedicate this episode to you. SEASON 7: EPISODE 4 A Decade at a Time: Shelley Learns About Life from Clyde Smith In this episode, Shelley continues sharing the profound influence that Clyde Smith had on his life while he was growing up in segregated Birmingham. Mr. Smith, a white man, took Shelley into his home when he was a young child. Mr. Smith taught Shelley some key secrets to life and that to be respected, one had to give respect first. SEASON 7: EPISODE 3 A Decade at a Time: More About the Smith Family In this week’s episode, we continue sharing Shelley’s life story a decade at a time leading up to his 90th birthday. Today, Shelley tells us about his life with the Smith family, how he lived in a basement and continued his studies at Irondale Elementary. SEASON 7: EPISODE 2 A Decade at a Time: Shelley leaves the Stables Today we continue telling Shelley’s life story, one decade at a time. Let’s head out to the back porch and head back to the 1930s and 40s in Birmingham, Alabama and talk about Shelley’s life with the Smith family. SEASON 7: EPISODE 1 A Decade at a Time: Shelley's Life in the 1930s Hello, Plumbliners, and welcome to Season 7 of Shelley’s Plumbline. So Shelley and I looked at the calendar, and we realized that by the time we finish this season, we will be close to Shelley’s 90th birthday. So, in season seven, we will take you to the back porch and take you through Shelley’s life, one decade at a time. Today, we’ll look at Shelley’s life in the 30s. SEASON 7: EPISODE 1 A Decade at a Time: Shelley's Life in the 1930s Hello, Plumbliners, and welcome to Season 7 of Shelley’s Plumbline. So Shelley and I looked at the calendar, and we realized that by the time we finish this season, we will be close to Shelley’s 90th birthday. So, in season seven, we will take you to the back porch and take you through Shelley’s life, one decade at a time. Today, we’ll look at Shelley’s life in the 30s. Season 6: SEASON 6: EPISODE 10 A. H. Parker High School 100th Anniversary Dedication Speech Hey, Plumbliners. In the year 2000, Shelley gave a speech at AH Parker High School in Birmingham, Alabama, on the occasion of the school’s 100th anniversary. This is the very same school that Shelley graduated from. This is the school where Shelley began his career in journalism, broadcasting, and performing. Today we feature a recording of that speech. SEASON 6: EPISODE 9 A meeting with a Grand Knight of the KKK, A Minister of the Nation of Islam and the Executive Director of the National Conference of Christians and Jews In 1993, Shelley hosted the Shelley Stewart Show, Survival in the 90s. It was a talk show on television that ran for 13 episodes. Today, we feature the audio from an extraordinary episode that featured a conversation with three very different people on the same stage. The discussion featured Lamarse Washington, Executive Director of the National Conference of Christians and Jews, William Muhammad, Minister of Nation of Islam and on the other end of the spectrum, William Burchfield, Grand Titan of Alabama for the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. Can you imagine a more diverse group in one place? We believe that you’ll discover the topics between then and today are not that different. But we wonder, could people of such diverse opinions share a stage with civility and respect today? Stay tuned… SEASON 6: EPISODE 8 Back Porch: Race, Racism and Happiness ey, Plumbliners. This is Mark Jamroz, producer of Sheley’s Plumbline. Today, Shelley and I sit down for another edition of the “Back Porch.” Think of it as “Shelley Unplugged” as we discuss a few of our experiences learning about race and racism. Then we touch upon the topic of happiness. Stayed tuned. I think you’re really going to like it. SEASON 6: EPISODE 7 Black Republicans Today, Shelley takes on the tough topic of black participation in politics as he interviews Raynard Jackson. At the time of the interview in 1998, Mr Jackson was Chairman of the Americans for a Brighter Future and an outspoken black Republican. SEASON 6: EPISODE 6 Freeborn Slave: Diary of a Black Man in the South Today, Shelley shares an interview with Birmingham resident Karen Ameen. The interview took place in 1996, shortly after Ms. Ameen published the book Freeborn Slave, Diary of a Black Man in the South. The book is a collection of memoirs dictated by her great-grandfather, Jasper Rastus Nall, an individual who was born at the end of the Civil War. SEASON 6: EPISODE 5 Internalized Racism (Rebroadcast) Hey, Plumbliners... Shelley was feeling a bit under the weather this week, so he asked me to find one of your favorite episodes of Shelley's Plumbline and rebroadcast it. Well, it turns out our very first episode was one of the most popular, and we released it a little over one year ago. Happy Anniversary to us! Please enjoy -- and be informed! This is a powerful episode about Internalized Racism. Enjoy! SEASON 6: EPISODE 4 An Interview with Fred Shuttlesworth. Today, Shelley shares a very special interview from 1991 with the one-and-only Fred Shuttlesworth. Reverend Shuttlesworth co-founded the Southern Christian Leadership Conference and was instrumental in the 1963 Birmingham Campaign with Martin Luther King. Shuttlesworth participated in the sit-ins against segregated lunch counters in 1960 and took part in the organization and execution of the Freedom Rides in 1961. Shuttlesworth invited the SCLC and MLK to Birmingham in 1963 to lead the campaign to desegregate it through mass demonstrations–what Shuttlesworth called "Project C." The "C" stood for "confrontation". In 1965, he was active in the Selma Voting Rights Movement and its march from Selma to Montgomery, which led to the passage of the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 6: EPISODE 3 The Genocide of Black Culture. This week’s episode draws on an interview from 1991 with playwright Edward McRay. He goes deep into the finer points of African culture, history, and the limits of the American educational system. Cultures must share their histories to increase understanding. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 6: EPISODE 2 Excerpts from the Inside Out Documentary. Today we have a very special edition of Shelley’s Plumbline. In 2002, Shelley visited two prisons in Alabama and spoke with inmates about their stories and turned it into the documentary Inside Out. And those stories speak for themselves. They are powerful. They are moving. They are profound. Stay tuned. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 6: EPISODE 1 The Back Porch: Instinct and the Inner Voice. Hello, Plumbliners, and welcome to Season 6 of Shelley’s Plumbline. Shelley and I have been talking about changing the format of the Plumbline for some time, so we thought today we would give that a try. We call this format The Back Porch. Think of it as “Shelley Unplugged.” Today, Shelley and I are going to discuss instinct and the inner voice that guides us through our lives. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . Season 5: Some states are afraid to teach history. We're not. Season 5 will focus on the tough topics some states are afraid to teach. But don't get us wrong. We do it not to threaten, not to scare, but to share. Ignoring our history does not make it go away. When we face the truth, we are all stronger for it. We've got new content for you every Wednesday. Make sure you subscribe! Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 5: EPISODE 10 Your Vote is Your Voice. Are You a Democrat or a Republican? So here we are – another major election is just half a year away. Today’s podcast features a show from 1996. Stay tuned as Shelley explores the questions that remain the same then as they are today: What do you believe? Who do you support? Who will you vote for? Your vote is your voice. If you do not speak, someone else will. SEASON 5: EPISODE 9 An interview with Park Scott on the Bahai Faith. Today, Shelley shares an interview from 1991 with Park Scott, Senior. He discusses the Bahai Faith and how it seeks the oneness of humanity, the elimination of prejudice and a harmony between science and religion. SEASON 5: EPISODE 8 Wake Up, Everybody, Part 2. By popular demand, Shelley and Teddy Pendergrass continue to share the message: Wake Up, Everybody. SEASON 5: EPISODE 7 Wake Up, Everybody. Today, Shelley shares a simple message. Wake up everybody. It’s time to think ahead. Wake Up, Everybody. The time is now. SEASON 5: EPISODE 6 Did Malcolm X Teach Us Something or Are We Doing the Same Thing Now? Today, we share Malcolm X's famous Ballots or Bullets address. The message rings true: The key to freedom lies in economic prosperity. Economic opportunity for all is the tide that will lift all boats. SEASON 5: EPISODE 5 Celebrating Powerful Women Today Shelley celebrates National Women’s Month with some personal reflections on the strong women he has known in his life, from his mother Mattie C whom he saw murdered when he was five years old, to Oprah and Kamala Harris. Stay tuned as we celebrate the power of women. SEASON 5: EPISODE 4a Hate Crimes, Rebroadcast Hey, Plumbliners… Shelley has been in the hospital the past couple of weeks, so he asked me to rebroadcast a previous episode. I looked back in the archives at one of my favorites. It’s from episode 4 of season 1 and it features an interview with attorney Rodney Max discussing Hate Crimes. The original interview was broadcast in 1993, but the message is still very relevant today. And if you’re so inclined send your thoughts and prayers to shelley@shelleysplumbline.com SEASON 5: EPISODE 4 Shelley Reflects on Black History Month and Racism in America As we come to the end of Black History Month, Shelley looks back on the last three episodes and shares his personal insights on the overt and not so overt signs that racism are still evident in America today. Stay tuned as the Plumbline seeks the truth. SEASON 5: EPISODE 4 Shelley Reflects on Black History Month and Racism in America As we come to the end of Black History Month, Shelley looks back on the last three episodes and shares his personal insights on the overt and not so overt signs that racism are still evident in America today. Stay tuned as the Plumbline seeks the truth. SEASON 5: EPISODE 3 Excerpts from "Remembering Slavery." Today we continue telling more stories of Black history, as we share an excerpt from the recording, “Remembering Slavery: African Americans Talk About Their Personal Experiences of Slavery and Emancipation,” published by The New Press, in conjunction with the Library of Congress and the Smithsonian Institution. Stay tuned and you’ll hear the words of actual slaves performed by well-known actors. SEASON 5: EPISODE 2 Early Slave Rebellions. Hey, Plumbliners. Before we begin with this week’s episode, we’d like to thank you for the emails! We received an email from a teacher in Washington state. She says, … My class has been learning about the Children's March recently, and one student asked whatever happened to Shelley the Playboy after watching the documentary "Mighty Times." That led us to some internet research, which led to finding this podcast and website. When we discussed what we value enough to risk getting in trouble to defend it, many kids mentioned both Freedom and Music; it's no wonder they find an activist like Mr. Stewart so appealing.” the teacher added “We wanted to say thank you to Mr. Stewart for his work during The Children's March. I want to say, as an educator of color, how thankful and inspired I am by his work and the way he was able to reach children and support them in their activism. …I plan to let my class know about this podcast and might write to you again if they have questions. I'm excited to learn more about this podcast and the other great work Mr. Stewart has done throughout his life, and I'm grateful to my inquisitive students for giving me the start! Well students in Washington state, Shelley would love to meet with you on a Zoom call sometime. And teacher? Keep up the good work. We love what you’re doing. Another email from EA says… Mr. Stewart, thank you for all you have done throughout the years. As a child I listened to you everyday on the radio. I'm 62 years old now ,and one day I would like to meet you. And JF says This article of Shelley the Playboy brings memories of my youth. I listen to you everyday growing up. I WOULD LOVE TO MEET YOU AND SIT DOWN TO A CUP OF COFFEE. Well, we’ll work on those meetings. In the meantime, the one and only, one-time Shelley "The Playboy" is still on the air on Shelley’s Plumbline. Thank you for your messages and words of support! In this week’s Plumbline features an interview from 1995 with Azikwe Abdullah. Azikwe acknowledges that Nat Turner’s slave rebellion is the one history books talk about, but Azikwe reveals that there were many slave rebellions before that time. Stay tuned as the Plumbline seeks the truth. SEASON 5: EPISODE 1 Horace Huntley and the Dangers of Cultural Annihilation. Here at the beginning of Black History Month, we welcome you to Season 5 of Shelley’s Plumbline. Since it is Black History Month, Shelley and I did some research . According to a recent article in Axios, “…lawmakers in 30 states have proposed new restrictions during the past year on what schools can teach about the nation's racial history…” According to the74million.org ...18 (states) have passed laws restricting or banning the teaching of supposed critical race theory…” So we decided, if these states won’t teach Black History, we will. And let us make one thing clear--we do not do this to stir up anger or hatred, because as Dr. King said, “Hate cannot drive out hate.” We share this message to further understanding among all peoples. Ignoring our history does not make it go away. Appreciating the background of all fosters progress and prosperity for all. There’s your side, there’s my side and some where in the middle, the plumbline finds the truth. Today’s episode re-broadcasts a 1997 interview with Horace Huntley, former professor of Social and Behavioral Sciences at UAB. He touches on the dangers of cultural annihilation and how that has limited the growth of our country. Tune in and learn more. ~ Mark Jamroz Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 4: EPISODE 10 Shelley's Life in Music: Stories About the Godfather of Soul, James Brown. Today we bring Season 4 to an end as we shine the spotlight on the Godfather of Soul, James Brown. James was a controversial character to be sure, but he became good friends with Shelley and always admired Shelley’s belief in the power of education. When James released the song Don’t Be A Dropout, he couldn’t wait to play it for Shelley and Shelley was one of the first to broadcast it on the air. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 4: EPISODE 9 Shelley's Life in Music: Stories About....Guess Who? Since Shelley was a DJ and radio personality, he was instrumental in helping grow the careers of numerous well-known talented singers and musicians. During Season 4 we have covered stories about many of these musical giants who started as business associates of Shelley’s and blossomed into deep friendships. We shared stories about BB King, Sam Cooke, and Johnnie Taylor. In episode 3, we talked about how Ray Charles drove a bus around the block in downtown Birmingham. Then, we heard touching stories about Lou Rawls and Bobby “Blue” Bland. And, of course, Shelley told us about his dear friend, Otis Redding. Today, Shelley brings you more background about an often-overlooked musical talent – but we'll leave that introduction to Shelley. Tune in to find out who today's episode is about. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 4: EPISODE 8 Shelley's Life in Music: "The Big O," Otis Redding. In today’s episode, we continue sharing stories from Shelley’s fascinating life in music as he tells us about his personal and professional relationship with Otis Redding. Otis was a chauffeur for another band when he was discovered during a break at the recording studio in Muscle Shoals. Shelley was fortunate enough to be the first DJ to play Otis’s first recording on the air. Their friendship grew, and Shelley left Radio for a while to become the PR Director for Otis’s Redwal Music Company in Macon, Georgia. Stay tuned and learn more stories about the recording career and personal life of “The Big O,” Otis Redding. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 4: SPECIAL EDITION (REBROADCAST) Hosea Williams: Did the Dream of Dr. King Become a Nightmare? Hey Plumbliners. The theme of Season 4 has been about Shelley’s life in music. But this week, to honor Martin Luther King, Jr.'s birthday, we’re going to rebroadcast our podcast from Season 1 on Hosea Williams . Hosea Williams was a very close friend and associate of Dr King and was instrumental in organizing the Movement. Please enjoy this special episode. Dr. King's legacy inspired generations of activists and leaders, and his contributions continue to be recognized and celebrated today as a beacon of hope and progress. But Dr. King had a premonition about his death, and he warned the members of his inner circle to beware of the tactics external forces would use to break the movement apart after he was gone. As a member of the King's inner circle, Hosea Williams served as the advance man, organizing some of the most important events in the movement. Williams traveled to cities throughout the South, recruiting and organizing volunteers, paving the way for appearances by King, Jesse Jackson, and Andrew Young. Williams and John Lewis led the "Bloody Sunday" march in Selma, Alabama, in 1965. This episode features an interview from September of 1994 with Shelley Stewart and Hosea Williams. Hosea reveals the dire warning King had for the members of his inner circle. Was Hosea Williams right? Did the Dream of Dr. Martin Luther King Become a Nightmare? Listen and let us know what you think. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 4: EPISODE 7 Shelley's Life in Music: Bobby "Blue" Bland. In this week’s episode, we continue exploring Shelley’s friendship with another major blues artist – Bobby “Blue” Bland, or “Blue” as Shelley called him. Like many blues, soul and R&B artists, Shelley traces Blue’s work back to his Gospel roots. In fact, there are hints of those notes in many of his most popular songs. Stay tuned and learn how Blue overcame personal obstacles, including illiteracy, to one day find a home in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 4: EPISODE 6 Shelley's Reflections on Rosa Parks and the Rosa Parks Award. On December 1, 2023, Shelley received the Rosa Parks Day Award for Leadership, Commitment to Civil Rights, Voting Rights, and Civic Service. Rosa Parks Day is December 1st because that was the day, in 1955, when Rosa Parks was arrested for refusing to give up her seat on a segregated bus. In today’s podcast, Shelley reflects on the award and on his own notoriety. Rosa had heard the story of a black boy who had moved the plank dividing the white and black sections of a streetcar. Years later, when Rosa and Shelley met, she learned that Shelley was that young boy. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 4: EPISODE 5 Shelley's Life in Music: Lou Rawls, Did You Pray Today? Today we continue to explore Shelley’s life in the music world as we take a look at Lou Rawls. Lou, like Sam Cooke, was born and raised in the Chicago area and crossed paths with Sam Cooke as they sang in gospel groups before moving into R&B, Jazz, and Soul. Since Shelley was a popular radio personality, he had a hand in promoting the careers of both Sam and Lou and they became fast friends when they met at performances. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 4: EPISODE 4 Shelley's Life in Music: A Slice of Soul Heaven with Johnnie Taylor. Today, Shelley talks about his personal and professional friendship with the Philosopher of Soul, otherwise known as Johnnie Taylor. As the PR director for Redwal Music Company, Shelley had the opportunity to spend time with Johnnie, as well as other music greats on that label, including Otis Redding. We’ll get to Otis in a future podcast. Both Johnnie and Shelley shared a love of spiritual music, and Johnnie eventually had a successful career singing blues, R&B, and soul. Johnnie confessed to Shelley that, in spite of his musical career, he really wanted to be a disc jockey. He became a DJ known as “The Wailer, Johnnie Taylor” on KKDA in Dallas, Texas. Johnnie passed in the year 2000, just a few months after releasing one of his best-known songs, “Soul Heaven.” Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 4: EPISODE 3 Shelley's Life in Music: Unknown Stories About Ray Charles. We continue to explore Shelley’s life in music, as Shelley shares stories about his relationship with Ray Charles. Ray is definitely an icon in the blues world, known for his trademark Ray Ban sunglasses. In fact, it’s generally acknowledged that Ray was the first blind musician to wear sunglasses, setting a trend for future musicians. But Ray will be the first to say he never saw his blindness as a handicap. Many did not know Ray loved to play chess, and he owned his own plane and was fascinated by flying. He was even known to take a turn as a pilot now and then. And in today’s episode, Shelley recalls how Ray drove his own bus around the block in downtown Birmingham on a bet. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 4: EPISODE 2 Shelley's Life in Music: A Conversation About Sam Cooke Today as we continue to explore Shelley’s life in music, we feature a conversation about Sam Cooke, one of Shelley’s dear friends. In fact, Shelley was so close to him that Sam was the godfather to one of his children. Aside from being a very good friend, Sam and Shelley shared the same mission: to use the power of music to bring people together. They both played to integrated audiences at a time when that was not acceptable. In fact, it could be dangerous to do that. Sam was a trailblazer not only with his music but his approach. He believed the artist should own the rights to their music so he was one of the first to write, produce and distribute his own music. Sam’s life ended tragically before his time in 1964 when he was shot at a hotel in Los Angeles. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 4: EPISODE 1 Shelley's Life in Music: Stories About Riley "B.B." King Two of the most popular episodes of Shelley’s Plumbline were Episode 1 of Season 2, "The Final Interview with Eddie Kendricks." A lot of folks also liked Episode 2 of Season 2 … about Shelley’s life scouting for musical talent on the Chitlin' Circuit. So to kick off Season Four, we’re going to give you more stories about Shelley’s life in music – this time with his friend, Riley King – or should we say, BB King. Yup, THE BB King. Stay tuned. Give it a listen. We think you’re going to like it. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . Recently Aired SEASON 3: EPISODE 10 An Open Forum Discussion on William Raspberry, Racism and Economic Power From time to time, Shelley would conduct an open forum during his show, and listeners would call in. Today’s episode features a discussion from 1996 with Shelley and a listener regarding a speech given by William Raspberry, a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist for the Washington Post. The discussion focuses on how racism is often used as an excuse or crutch against progress. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 3: EPISODE 9 Mayor Ford Talks About Redistricting in the 90s. Today, we share an interview with Johnny Ford, the first African-American mayor of Tuskegee, Alabama. He served five terms from 1972 to 1996 when he won a seat in the Alabama House of Representatives. He was re-elected mayor of Tuskegee in 2004, and he served until 2008. This interview touches on the issues of gerrymandering and how it unfairly affects the representation of the population in today's America. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 3: EPISODE 8 SEASON 3: EPISODE 8 Yvonne Willie, Author of The Boy Who Didn't Want to Be Black Yvonne Willie, Author of The Boy Who Didn't Want to Be Black Today’s episode features an interview from 1998 with the author of The Boy Who Didn’t Want to Be Black, Yvonne Willie. She and Shelley discuss the role of racial identity and self-worth, revealing that internalized racism is a learned behavior. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . Today’s episode features an interview from 1998 with the author of The Boy Who Didn’t Want to Be Black, Yvonne Willie. She and Shelley discuss the role of racial identity and self-worth, revealing that internalized racism is a learned behavior. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 3: EPISODE 7 An Interview with Tommy Wrenn, Foot Soldier in the Movement Today we continue our exploration of one of the many organizers in the Movement who had great influence but were not as well-known. This episode features an interview from January of 1998 when Shelley sat down with Tommy Wrenn. Active in the movement in both Birmingham and Selma, Wrenn worked as a field staffer for the Dr King's Southern Christian Leadership Conference. Wrenn would go into towns to set up routes for protest marchers before King would arrive, doing the groundwork to make the event a success. He expresses his frustration at the lack of support he received and how many people believed in the mission of the movement but stayed in the background. Even after retiring as a dental technician, he remained active in politics and the movement until his death in 2010. SEASON 3: EPISODE 6 James Armstrong and His Story of the Integration of Graymont School Today we continue to share little-known stories of the struggle during the early 60s with an interview with James Armstrong. He recounts the many artificial obstacles city officials presented him when he attempted to enroll his children in Graymont School in Birmingham, Alabama, at a time when it was segregated. He prevailed, however, and his sons Floyd and Dwight were the first students to integrate the school. This interview, conducted by Ron January, first aired on Shelley’s program “Open Mic” in 1993. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 3: EPISODE 5 Dr. Vincent Harding Discusses The True Meaning of the Struggle. Today, we feature an interview with author and historian Dr. Vincent Harding. A social activist, he was perhaps best known for his work with and writings about Martin Luther King Jr., whom Harding knew personally. In this episode, Dr Harding sits down with Shelley and talks about not only the Black struggle – but how several different vectors of society then, as now, are engaged in a struggle for freedom. Click An Icon Below To Listen To Shelley's Plumbline Recently Aired SEASON 3: EPISODE 4 Uncovering The Movement: An Interview With Rev. N. H. "Fireball" Smith In this episode, Shelley shares an interview from January 1993 with Rev. Nelson H. Smith, also known as "Fireball" Smith. Smith was another unknown yet highly influential foot soldier in the fight for human rights for all, participating in The Movement before the 1960s and marching side by side with Dr. King during the '60s. Throughout his ministry, Smith preached the importance of higher education, financial management, and economics. He founded the New Pilgrim Credit Union in 1965 and led his church in the development of a bookstore and the New Pilgrim Towers apartments, to name a few of his accomplishments. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 3: EPISODE 3 Shelley's 89th Birthday Celebration! Happy 89th Birthday to Shelley Stewart! Today, we celebrate Shelley's 89th birthday with a recording of a speech Shelley made when he was 63 years old at Friendship Baptist Church . This Church plays a special role in Shelley's life. As a boy of five, he saw his mother murdered just a few blocks away. In spite of growing up without his parents, he would celebrate his graduation in this same Church. Without a doubt, the Friendship Baptist Church has held a special place in Shelley's heart. In today's podcast, he shares a message that he's shared all his life. A message that tells hard truths but also triumphs love, mutual respect, and human rights for ALL people and that faith is the power that enables the unlikely to accomplish the impossible. Today's episode is a heartfelt message from Shelley, one of faith. What we know is if you lose faith, you lose all. Follow us and continue the conversation on Facebook , Instagram , and LinkedIn . SEASON 3: EPISODE 2 Yvonne Turner: A True Human Rights Shero This week, Shelley continues to explore some of the lesser-known yet powerful foot soldiers in the Movement. One such person is Yvonne Turner. Who is Yvonne Turner? Well, well before the Human Rights Movement of the 60s, the true Movement began in the mid-1950s, and people like Yvonne Turner, Georgia Price, and others were instrumental in organizing voter education drives and meetings. Visit shelleysplumbline.com to see one of the voter education documents Yvonne created and shared so Blacks could be prepared to answer questions in order to vote. She was often referred to as the most loved and hated woman in Birmingham because she helped the Movement so much but also spoke to a truth that many would rather not hear. View Season 3 Episode 2 Details & Resources SEASON 3: EPISODE 1 Rare Speeches of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. To kick off Season 3 of Shelley's Plumbline, we went through his archives, and Shelley rediscovered some rare recordings of #MLK that he had forgotten about. These are speeches MLK made in Birmingham! Why are they rare? Because for his protection and to keep Bull Conner guessing, Dr. King would often show up to churches unannounced to make speeches. Shelley Stewart was in attendance recording the choir when Dr. King showed up. They left the recorder running when he made these speeches. You can hear them both in this week's podcast. Very timely given that September 15 is the anniversary of bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church. In Season 3, Shelley sets the record straight on the "Movement" and how only the media and politicians called it the "Civil Rights Movement." It was, and is, a Movement for the freedom of all people. Please listen, and if you are so moved, share it with others. View Season 3 Episode 1 Details & Resources SEASON TWO: EPISODE 10 The Plantation Ghost Today Shelley shares an interview from 1995 with Ezekwa Abdullah. Ezekwa argues that Blacks still repress themselves and suffer a form of psychological slavery in the collective subconscious psyche because attitudes of repression have been preserved and passed from one generation to the next. The ghost of the plantation exists today because not enough has been done to condemn this point of view. SEASON TWO: EPISODE 9 Free By Choice Inmates Share Their Stories Today, Shelley replays an interview from the Free By Choice program, which brought inmates from Alabama prisons on the air to speak openly about their crimes and the decisions which led to them. These Free By Choice inmates had a strong desire to share their stories so their suffering could serve to help others avoid making the same mistakes. 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